Wingnuts Praying for Obama's Death

Mad people are still mad. Stay tuned after the break for our special report on what religion the Pope is and where bears shit.I can't work up any indignation about this because obviously it's true. Naturally the fundies are praying for the death of an elected President. What else would they do? He is, after all, not white. I'm just surprised that no-one's shot him yet.

I've already said I am not concerned with "your average churchgoer". I don't know, are you? You seem to be making light of this situation. Refresh my memory: which group is advocating the addition of ID and/or creation "science" in the classroom? Normal everyday chrisitians? Or evangelicals?pastor Drake here is not the first evangelical to pull this kind of shit. While there may be people that are evangelicals and do not subscribe to this hate doctrine, I have yet to see any fundamentalist protestants doing the same. It is See, here is the thing: this guy said it himself. These words/actions are in the bible. The other denomonations must just just skim past them, or take them with a grain of salt. I mentioned her because she gives these loonies a voice and a place in politics.

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Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people
-Carl SaganFor me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
-Carl Sagan

A lot of gullible and ignorant people would see ID in the classroom. And many, if not most evangelicals (I'm too tired right now to look up exact stats, so I'm just going by personal experience), fall into the category of being ignorant of evolution.
This is a serious problem, but it is not born of malice like hate speech and murder.I think where we differ is that I look at Christians on the scale of the individual, while you're look at them as a large cohesive monolithic group (which they are in some respects). While I would not like to share a neighbourhood with pastor Drake, I don't mind living in the same house with creationists. Creationists impede the betterment of education on the larger scale, but that doesn't necessarily make them bad as individuals. But a person who threatens to kill anyone is an evil person, in my opinion.A herd of sheep can be a drag when they start plowing off in the wrong direction. They might ruin the farmer's day. But the sheep can be redirected back to the pen if shown the way. A vicious goat intent on killing the shepherd is more dangerous, and must be disabled or removed. I think many fundamentalist evangelicals are sheep, not goats, ignorant, not malicious, generally good people, not murderers.I believe the ID movement is a crippling one, dangerous and misleading. But ultimately, I'm confident that enough minds will be changed, and the evolution debate will be settled in the public eye, even among fundamentalists. But I doubt we will ever be rid of the violent nutjobs. Exactly! And most fundamentalists that I know are not for reinstating stoning as a punishment for homosexuals. The Bible says a lot of things that most fundies don't seem to even realize are in there. We both disagree with her politics. You disagree with her because she is a favourite of religious fundies and is one herself. You extend this to mean she represents the extreme views of pastor Drake, and other dangerous religious individuals. If this is not so, then I don't see how she pertains to this discussion.Respectfully,-Meldinoor

No. I despise her because she is an ignorant twit. Her religious views just happen to be what one would expect them to be for someone like her (forgive my stereotyping). No, I can't say that she shares the same views as the extremists, as that would be false assertion. She gives these people a leg to stand on. Especially since I've already pointed out that Drake has already tried running for VP last election. Having her in the limelight has made it A-O.K. to be in politics and be ignorant, to be "religion first, politics second".

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Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people
-Carl SaganFor me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
-Carl Sagan

Bro. Drake says, "An imprecatory prayer is very strong."Let's see him shit in one hand, and pray in the other, and see which one smells stronger.Had people said this same bullshit about "imprecatory prayer" and GW Bush, they would have landed in jail, or at least had a long, uncomfortable interview with the Secret Service. I actually prefer this - where I can just point and laugh - except that some Christianist nutjob with a gun will, sooner or later, take himself to be the Hand of God and act on these ravings.

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"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD

Exactly. Or what if it's someone who doesn't subscribe to the "status quo" religion? What if it were a muslim that said this? Motherfuckers would be up in arms. Christians would say something for sure then.

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Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people
-Carl SaganFor me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
-Carl Sagan

Hooah, at this point in the topic, I'm not sure what your point is???? Is this guy a total wack job? You bet. But his message certainly doesn't speak for most of the Christian community. In fact, I'll say at this point I'd question if this guy is a Christian to begin with or a stone cold mental.You call for outcry from the Christian community but as was stated before, who really knows about this? It's not like even the most liberal of news outlets reports this guys rantings. He probably has a following of a few hundred or low thousand. If your looking for Rick Warren, Chuch Colson, or David Jeremiah to get on here and blast this guy....well, don't hold your breath.This tool job no more speaks for the Christian Right then some nihilistic extremest who wishes the eradication of religion speaks for Hitchins or the followers of Nietzsche.This is probably all I'll say about it at this point...we've almost reached beaten horse status on it.

You and those like you are completely missing the point.If this is an isolated incident, then fine this guy is a nutjob and most fundies don't pay attention to him. But the fact is this is not an isolated incident and the chrisitian communities have a long history of turning a blind eye to nutjobs and crooks who hide behind religion. This particular case just serves as another example in a pattern that many of us observe.Again, we should be seeing christian campaigns against people like Fred Phelps, Jerry Falwell, Benny Hinn, Peter Popoff, Kent Hovind, and a kazillion other crooks and liars who scam society's most gullibles out of millions of dollars each year. Instead, we see christian communities focusing their energy and money on taking away most basic rights of gay people.Do I really need to remind you people that President Bush openly supported the criminalization of homosexuality in Texas when he was governor of that state? You people put him in office for 8 years, so I can only assume that you people are as hateful as he is. All the while, you completely ignore the crooks and liars who scam you people out of millions of dollars each year in jesus's name.So, no, the main point of this thread isn't about just this particular case of a christian nutjob praying for the president's death. The main point is to give another example that fits perfectly in the pattern of misplaced efforts by christian communities.Moral high ground my ass.

I have to back you and Hooah up on this.This is a pattern we see across many branches of religion.Islam is a great example. Time and again we hear certain Muslim "leaders" proclaiming how we non-Muslims have got it so wrong, that Islam is an entirely peaceful religion. Yet, hold on, why are they telling us that? If they had any moral courage at all they would turn around to the obnoxious bigoted thugs hiding behind them, who carry out their vile acts in the name of Islam, and say the same thing to them.And then there are the so called "sophisticated Christian theologians" who are far too clever to actually believe in a god, yet they only say that to atheists. They are quite happy for millions and millions of other Christians to live miserable lives of guilt thinking that there really is a man in the sky holding a big stick over their heads. They never have the moral courage to stand up in church and say to the congregation, "For goodness sake, don't worry! There isn't really a man in the sky! You don't really need to fear going to Hell! We're just here for a bit of community spirit." Instead, just by their very presence in church and in the Christian movement in general they help perpetuate real belief amongst those who they obviously consider too stupid to understand the subtleties of their oh-so-sophisticated-theology.Catholic and protestant communities in Northern Ireland? Hardly made an effort to isolate the "minority" of violent thugs in their midst did they.Catholic Church and paedophiles. Wow! They really nipped that problem in the bud!

I was listening to a radio program about a journalist who turned atheist after being a born again. He spoke of a pastor who came clean about molesting children to his congregation. They applauded him for his courage. They then named the church after him.This is what made the journalist turn into an atheist.

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Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people
-Carl SaganFor me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
-Carl Sagan

What a man! What a community!Makes me think of those who laud Gerry Adams as a hero for peace!

I don't know, Jumpy. There may be a few masquerading atheists like that, but my bet is that the vast majority of upper-echelon churchmen, no matter how "smart," are also real live believers. It's hard for me to see how that would be from my present atheist perspective, but I used to buy into that belief crap in my younger days, too. And a few people, like my employer, seem to think I'm fairly smart.

You may be right about many bishop types, although I'm inclined to agree with Dan Dennett that many of them don't believe but for various reasons don't want to admit it.However, I'm really talking about the "intellectual" and "academic" theologians like Karen Armstrong and Terry Eagleton who mock the likes of Dawkins, Hitchens and Dennett for having, in their view, a childish view of religion. Armstrong has said things along the lines that you don't have to have belief to be religious or a Christian. Eagleton has shed great light on the issue by saying "God is what loved the world into being." For another example, check out this link to an article by Be Scofield (no, I'd never heard of him either) criticising Hitchens: Christopher Hitchens: The Orthodox Protestant Atheist | Tikkun Daily Blog Archive These theologians are definitely a minority among Christians (if you can call them that), yet they criticise the likes of Dawkins for thinking that religion is about believing in a god, but they never go along to church (as far as I'm aware) and say the same thing to the praying flock. Therefore, what I meant is that they must consider themselves so much smarter than the flock that it's not worth their while breaking the truth to them. I didn't mean to imply that I think the believers and former believers like yourself are stupid. Not all of you, anyway.

"God is what loved the world into being."I just nominated this for Most Vapid Pronouncement of the Decade.

I'll second that!