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Author Topic:   Biological Evidence Against Intelligent Design
New Cat's Eye
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Message 124 of 264 (545277)
02-02-2010 7:02 PM
Reply to: Message 123 by Straggler
02-02-2010 6:36 PM


Clarification
So if we teach students that the origin of species on Earth is the result of natural selection and random mutations from a common ancestor we are, according to you, teaching something that is evidentially unjustifiable.
No. I'm saying that it is evidentially unjustified to say that this says or means that they were not designed or that none of them are designed (even while excluding the ones that we know were designed).

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 126 of 264 (545283)
02-02-2010 8:32 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by Straggler
02-02-2010 7:08 PM


Re: Clarification
So if we teach students that the origin of species on Earth is the result of natural selection and random mutations from a common ancestor we are, according to you, teaching something that is evidentially unjustifiable.
No. I'm saying that it is evidentially unjustified to say that this says or means that they were not designed or that none of them are designed (even while excluding the ones that we know were designed).
Well if they are entirely the product of natural selection and random mutation (as taught) they cannot be the product of non-random intelligent design can they?
That the species we know of can be explained by RM+NS doesn't suggest that every species has necessarily come about that way.
What is taught is that the diversity of life can be suffiecienty explained by evolution, not that the enitirety of species are the product of RM+NS alone.
The slight difference, because of the result of induction, is one of the reasons that it is evidentially unjustified to claim that design has been refuted.
I think you go too far to say that being explainable by evolution necessitates that it is not designed.
But this one point has been drug out too far...

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Message 145 of 264 (545572)
02-04-2010 10:56 AM
Reply to: Message 144 by Straggler
02-04-2010 10:32 AM


Re: Mutually Exclusive and Seeking Common ground
If omphalism claims that the universe is physically one week old and the empirical evidence says that the universe is billions of years old there is a mutually exclusive discrepancy. Phrase it how you like. Those two conclusions are mutually exclusive.
No, the whole point of omphalism is that the empirical evidence is not mutually exclusive to it.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 190 of 264 (546216)
02-09-2010 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 189 by traderdrew
02-09-2010 11:34 AM


Re: perhaps missing the point?
In order to falsify any ID position, all you have to do is find an unambiguous natural explanation that explains away the ID hypothesis.
Can you give an example of something from the ID hypothesis that does NOT have an unambiguous natural explanation?

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 192 of 264 (546228)
02-09-2010 12:25 PM
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02-09-2010 12:11 PM


I didn't think you could.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 249 of 264 (547340)
02-18-2010 10:23 AM
Reply to: Message 248 by deerbreh
02-18-2010 9:21 AM


Re: What the hell is "HGT"?
all you had to do was throw a smiley in there to let us all know

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