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Message 55 of 477 (547987)
02-24-2010 3:08 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by slevesque
02-23-2010 12:39 AM


Joshua's Gospel as compared to the 'gospel of the levite whole offering'
Hi slevesque - hope things are well ..
I have a 2 part question if you have time to run it by the board ...
For the vast majority of His ministry, hardly anyone even knew Joshua was the Anointed One; yet, we are told that Joshua indeed preached 'The Gospel'.
According to the church testaments, no one knew that Joshua - as the Anointed One or otherwise, was going to die; much less1 did any one of his admirers have a clue, before He surrendered his body to Yehosef bar Kayafa and the Roman militia that escorted him, that he was to be venemously murdered ...
quote:
Luke 24:20
.. and how our chief priests and rulers handed him over to be condemned to death, and crucified him.
21 ~ But we had hoped that he was the one who was going to redeem Yisrael. Not only this, but it is now the third day since these things happened.
John 20:9
(For they did not yet understand the scripture that Joshua must rise from the dead.)

* What Gospel did Joshua consistently share with those around him, if it did not include anything about His death?
* For what reasons did that original Gospel of Joshua's become shelved and rarely, if ever, discussed or promoted?
Or to rephrase the second portion of the question, considering the doctrine of atonement in its current state didn't exist until the 11th century:
In what ways is the modern gospel2 - designed by Levitical Catholics, Evangelicals & Mormons, superior to Joshua's original testament?
In the name of brother Joshua the Anointed One, peace be with you.
One Love
1 - The ninth verse in the booklet attributed to John is a parenthetical note by the author. As a matter of fact, the author does not, at any point, explicitly mention exactly what original testament scripture is being invoked and neither does uncle Paul in his pharisaical discourse of 1 Cor 15:4. While some purport to see the resurrection of the Anointed One in Isaiah 53:10-12 and Psalms 16:10, it is admittedly in general terms, if at all.
Again, biblical scholars assume and suppose, because of the mention of 'the third day', that specific references may or may not have been understood in Jonah 1:17 and/or Hoshea 6:2; yet beyond examples such as these, I am often told "it's not possible to be more specific".
2 - According to the theologian Augustine and the theologians of the church in later centuries who considered him 'the father of Christian theology', Joshua was murdered to be an atonement sacrifice to pay for the sins of humanity, following the doctrines laid out in books like Leviticus in the ToRaH, commonly referred to as the Law of Moses. Every sectarian branch of Levitical 'Catholicism' (protestant, mormon, etc.) then become Augustine's child, who are paternal Levites in nature. By partaking of this sacrifice, one is supposed to be ritually 'washed in the blood of the lamb' and then 'imputed' the 'perfection of Christ'. The price was 'fully paid' by 'completely and perfectly' fulfilling this 'law of Moses' and then suffering the punishment for wrongdoers, thus satisfying the demands of distributive justice. I think that's pretty close ...
Now, as an avid admirer of the ToRaH, the Prophets and the Psalms, this then becomes an extremely peculiar notion. Within Yirmiyahu's booklet it is stated that the Father did not tell those people to bring sacrifices and offerings when they came out of Egypt, but that rather these sacrificing and blood atonement laws were forged by the Levite priests of the Yirusalem temple. In the booklet of Acts, the Apostle Stephen is pictured testifying to a similiar notion before Paul and a few others ruthlessly murder him.
This evolved doctrine of Joshua as a Levite animal sacrifice did not orginate with the prophets of Yisrael or with the gospels, but rather with theologians of the church, like Augustine. This doctrine is not mentioned in the gospels. However, there is at least one tradition that all four synoptic texts we presently possess agree upon and that is ....
Joshua the Anointed One was murdered by way of crucifixion to preserve a system of religious dogmatism. ( Matisyahu 26:4, Mark 14:1, Luke 13:31-32, John 11:48/49/50/53 )

Dear friend,
    Accept confidence. Be an inspiration. Care about others. Dare 2 b different. Envision our dreams. Find out how to love. Grant wishes. Hope hard. Invite possibility. Judge little. Keep promises. Laugh a lot. Make friends. Never give up. Open your mind. Plant miracle seeds. Question everything. Run as fast as you can just to see what it feels like. Stay true. Try your best - especially when considering to take advice and speak your mind. Understand empathy. Volunteer. Win gracefully (when you win). X marks the spot. You'll get there - Zero in on what's important and keep those things close to your heart ...
Mercy Trumps Judgement,
Love Weary

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