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Dr Adequate
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Message 25 of 123 (529844)
10-10-2009 7:43 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Pauline
10-09-2009 7:56 PM


1. How do you explain such an intricate complex programming system?
It evolved.
2. If you do not consider this mechanism to be'programmed by someone', why not?
Because the evidence shows that it evolved.

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Message 26 of 123 (529846)
10-10-2009 7:48 PM
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10-10-2009 7:22 PM


Re: "Intricate complexity" makes a nice change.
Yes, that was the statement I was referring to. I'm trying to understand the idea of 'mutations collectively bringing about a postive effect over long periods of time'. So, is natural selction what is causing those mutations that an animal undergoes in order to survive?
Wow, that's so confused.
No, natural selection does not cause mutations. Nor, unless we're talking of single-celled organisms, is it meaningful to talk of an animal undergoing mutation. Nor do mutations happen in order to further the survival of anything.

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Message 66 of 123 (531153)
10-16-2009 10:19 AM
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10-16-2009 8:56 AM


Sir Isaac Newton? He believed in God, and he certainly didn't stop there.
And he didn't try to explain celestial mechanics in terms of God doing magic. Otherwise we wouldn't have heard of the man.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 73 of 123 (531322)
10-17-2009 1:12 AM
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10-16-2009 5:14 PM


Okay, so please explain to me how it might have occurred naturally. Actually, let me be specific: how do you explain the occurance of action potential generation/conduction in a pure naturalist fashion without the intervention of intelligence?
Evolution.
I'm glad we sorted that out.

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Message 93 of 123 (532218)
10-22-2009 3:27 AM
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10-21-2009 9:18 PM


Re: Sir Darwin's excellent response: I don't know!!!
What intrigues me though is how Darwin chooses to ignore the origin of life question.
Perhaps you are equally intrigued as to how Newton chose to ignore the origin of mass question.
Or perhaps the theory of gravity is not contrary to your religious beliefs, so you don't choose to talk nonsense about it.

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Message 107 of 123 (548409)
02-27-2010 2:31 PM
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02-27-2010 12:50 PM


Well, now you're just making mistakes about biology almost at random.
In some cases you don't even bother making the mistake, you merely allude to it. In what way would you like to be wrong about Archaeopteryx? You just indicate in passing that there's some sort of mistake you want to make.
As for the rest of it ... sheesh. You're wrong about finches, you're wrong about irreducible complexity ... and how can anyone not know that there are things other than birds which migrate? This presents us once more with the strangest paradox of creationism --- that creationists are obsessed with a subject, biology, that they aren't remotely interested in.
We must remember that this comes from the guy who confidently assured us that tetanus was not caused by bacteria. Did it never occur to you to find out about the things you're talking about before talking about them? It might prevent you from saying things that are hopelessly wrong.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 110 of 123 (548453)
02-27-2010 6:15 PM
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02-27-2010 5:57 PM


Okay. Great. Thanks.
Please shut up.
Ah yes, Christian apologetics at their finest.
I never confidently assured you.
Let me quote you:
Dr Sing writes:
FYI, tetanus is not caused by bacteria or virus. Infact, tetanus is a direct result of bad nervous input (to put it is layman's terms). I suggest you do some research before asking questions like this.
You were confident to the point of being patronizing ("in layman's terms" forsooth, and "I suggest you do some research"). If you spend a few seconds taking your own advice and researching the subjects on which you wish to bloviate, you would bear false witness less often.
THATS proof that you are interested in ad hominem attacks more than the discussion.
Pointing out that you're wrong is not an ad hominem attack. Pointing out why you're wrong (i.e. that you've made no effort to be right) was intended as helpful advice. If you research the things you post about, then you will in fact be wrong less often. If you don't, then you're only ever going to be right by accident.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 115 of 123 (548479)
02-27-2010 8:18 PM
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02-27-2010 7:31 PM


About the phrase "in layman's terms", I used it because "I" am not a medical expert not because I was trying to demean you.
If that offended you, sincere apologies.
You weren't talking to me, and I'm not offended. I'm just advising you that you should try to be right before getting on your high horse.
You know, a lot of what you say offends me too, Dr A. I don't even think you realize it.
Ah, you wait 'til I start in with the sticks and stones.

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