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Author Topic:   Straightforward, hard-to-answer-questions about the Bible/Christianity
Hyroglyphx
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Message 76 of 477 (548493)
02-27-2010 9:27 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by Pauline
02-27-2010 6:36 PM


Human perfection is total purity. Purity of mind, actions, words. The result of purity is benevolence. Any hint of impurity will render a human imperfect.
Okay, and so where in there does Adam or Eve demonstrate perfection?
Desires govern freewill, freewill directs actions. Satan offers Adam a enticing experience, all Adam needs to do is obey satan. The desire to sin never originated in Adam's heart. In that sense Adam was perfect human, he had a pure heart.
How does that demonstrate perfection? Everyone has the best of intentions, but no one can fully live a life of purity. So what does that tell you? If not one human being in the history of life, except for Jesus (who is God, so it's pointless) can remain sinless then who made that happen? A few is an anomaly. Think how many humans have lived since the dawn of man considering how billions are alive right now. Where then does the defect lie?
He chose the wrong road. What Adam messed up was not HIS desires, but his FREEWILL.
He could not have even known he screwed up, because his disobedience was not revealed to him until AFTER he ate of it. Even supposing it wasn't we all suffer for his actions. Does that sound consistent with omni-benevolence?
Please don't misconstrue the verse one more time.
I didn't.
I'll not give you another chance to.
I didn't know I was beholden to you.
God's point in the chapter is that He will make Cyrus a great man, basically give him all he wants, and everything that a king could possibly dream of. The point is: God is throwing all the "blessings" at Cyrus's face. Cyrus isn't "earning" anything from God. People will look at Cyrus and think what a prosperous, victorious king! But those who know Jehovah God will know that all that Cyrus ever had came from God's hand. That's the point of the chapter.
I am aware of what the chapter is about, unfortunately it doesn't alleviate the clear message. In describing himself, he mentions that he creates evil. That would make sense since nothing that has been made could come in to existence without God. God creates everything.
It's not even a simple theological question, it is a philosophical one. And a pretty easy one to figure out strictly by reading the bible.
Actually, here the word for evil is better understood as "disaster'. Things like tsunamis and earthquakes. Yeah, of course, God creates them. But He doesn't create sin.
Riddle me this: If God didn't create sin, did he create the capacity for it? Or do you think that anything can come about aside from the will of God?
Lucifer was God's highest angel.
There is no biblical evidence of that, being that the often described attributes of Lucifer are distinctly referring to the King of Tyre.
Why did God not do that? I do not know. I am studying the bible and am very little equipped with understanding. Hopefully, one day you will ask me the same question and I will give you a Biblical answer. Till then, suffice to say that God does what he wants but what He wants never hurts others.
Then be sure to read the whole bible and not only what is read on the pulpits. There are many verses that tend to be neglected because they're controversial, to say the least.
"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all — old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." -- Ezekiel 9:5-7
The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered." O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don't give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, "All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children." -- Hosea 9:11-16
If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted." -- Leviticus 26:21-22
Sadly, these are only a handful of inglorious passages where God commands others to kill, even children and other innocents.
hmm. did you want to live in a world where satan's entry was restricted?
Why does he exist at all, is a more applicable question.
I absolutely get turned off, turned off, turned offfffffff, tuuuuuuuurrrrrrnnnned off, when people think the forbidden tree and satan should not have been allowed into God's own garden. Man! it was a tree! IF not in a garden, where else should it have been?
NEITHER needed to be created whatsoever, is the point! All they did was subvert man, right? That's placing a bottle of whiskey right in front of an alcoholic and telling him not to drink it.
Just think about it logically. For what other purpose did God create this Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil if it was not intended to ever be discovered? Think it through. Eating it was all part of the master plan.
Satan.....remember what I said about the devil.....before he fell, he was the most powerful angel! Angels are powerful, to say the least. Once he fell, fine he became God's enemy but did he lose his power?
Why did Satan rebel from God and when was that?
quote:
I'm not an atheist, Dr. Sing.
what are you?
An open-minded skeptic. If it needs a label, call it "agnostic." I neither believe nor disbelieve in God.
Whats the heart of the matter? I want to address it. You seem to be bothered by many things here. What one thing should I address?
What? I'm not bothered by anything. We're just having a discussion on the "Straightforward, hared-to-answer-questions about the Bible/Christianity," as per the title of the thread. I think I have presented one of those questions that requires all sorts of mental gymnastics to try and wiggle out of.
What should I be addressing if not the topic?

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 77 of 477 (548494)
02-27-2010 9:28 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by Taz
02-27-2010 6:48 PM


I do have the right to hate the non-existent, right?
Sure you do, but you have to ask what sense it makes.

"Political correctness is tyranny with manners." -- Charlton Heston

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Pauline
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Message 78 of 477 (548495)
02-27-2010 9:29 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by Dr Adequate
02-27-2010 9:18 PM


Re: Reckless Endangerment
Why is this relevant?
Do you mean it is irrelevant? Or do you not understand what I'm talking about.
Among the copious reasons I loathe having a conversation with you , Adequate, is that you come across as pathetically arrogant. Your arrogance just surrounds you posts like some pungent odor that is SO repugnant that I wish I never came across a post from you. You know its like ughghh, NO! not this idiot again! Ahhhhhh!!!
But without knowing good from evil, right?
Read what I said to Taz
Children who know that their parents love them do not in fact invariably take their parents' advice.
Perfect children can.
Before you ask me to define perfect, read one of the above posts of mine, I already did it.

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Message 79 of 477 (548497)
02-27-2010 9:33 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by Pauline
02-27-2010 7:00 PM


Re: Reckless Endangerment
Dr. Sing writes:
Do you know how long it was after creation that Adam sinned?
Do you know how much of God Adam knew before he sinned?
Do you know what all God did for Adam and Eve to show His love for them in this time period from creation to fall?
No, and neither do you. You're making up made up stuff.
Dr. Sing writes:
God did not leave Adam alone in the garden. God does not leave places.
Again, where do you get the support for that, other than that you'd like it to be true? Seems to me that if God had to go looking for Adam after the No Good Very Bad Fruit of the Tree of Good and Evil Episode, then he must have been out taking a bathroom break or getting coffee at some point.
ABE: Besides, as Dr Adequate points out in Message 75, this actually makes God more culpable, not less, since according to you he was watching the whole thing that whole time, and could have intervened at any time.
Make as many excuses as you like for the Mighty Jew Wizard, if he's really omnipotent and omnicient, then he knew exactly what would happen with his little set-up, and he's responsible for it.
Edited by ZenMonkey, : Taking advantage of Dr Adequate's rhetorical acumen.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 80 of 477 (548498)
02-27-2010 9:39 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by Pauline
02-27-2010 9:29 PM


Re: Reckless Endangerment
Do you mean it is irrelevant? Or do you not understand what I'm talking about.
Among the copious reasons I loathe having a conversation with you , Adequate, is that you come across as pathetically arrogant. Your arrogance just surrounds you posts like some pungent odor that is SO repugnant that I wish I never came across a post from you. You know its like ughghh, NO! not this idiot again! Ahhhhhh!!!
May I take it that that was a demonstration of Christian humility?
Perfect children can.
And yet apparently Adam was perfect and did not take his Father's advice.

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Message 81 of 477 (548505)
02-27-2010 9:59 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by Dr Adequate
02-27-2010 9:39 PM


Re: Reckless Endangerment
May I take it that that was a demonstration of Christian humility?
Nahh. Take it as an honest opinion.
You think christians are a bunch of doormats that atheists can step on, don't you?
Adam was perfect and did not take his Father's advice.
EXACTLY MY POINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You made my day, adequate, you made it. A God-hater for the first time blames Adam for Adam's mistake and not God. Ahhhh......you said it. Woah! Whats with tonight? Is something wrong with the milky way galaxy?
I said perfect children "can", not "invariably do".
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Message 82 of 477 (548508)
02-27-2010 10:07 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by Pauline
02-27-2010 9:59 PM


Re: Reckless Endangerment
Nahh. Take it as an honest opinion.
You think christians are a bunch of doormats that atheists can step on, don't you?
No.
EXACTLY MY POINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You made my day, adequate, you made it. A God-hater for the first time blames Adam for Adam's mistake and not God. Ahhhh......you said it. Woah! Whats with tonight? Is something wrong with the milky way galaxy?
Could you translate that into Sane, I don't speak Loony.
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Message 83 of 477 (548515)
02-27-2010 10:28 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by Hyroglyphx
02-27-2010 9:27 PM


I am aware of what the chapter is about, unfortunately it doesn't alleviate the clear message.
what do you mean by alleviate the message?
In describing himself, he mentions that he creates evil.
Uhhhhhh....no He creates disaster.
The book of Isaiah is God's message to Israel conveyed to Israel by the Prophet Isaiah. Its all about God and Israel. the People of Israel were the most special people to God. He utterly destroyed Egypt to give them their freedom. Remember the 10 plagues? THATS the kind of evil God is referring to here. So, God is reminding them that what disaster they saw of all their enemies was done by God Himself for Israel. Israel has left God for man-made idols. And He's urging them to remember all that He did for them and return to Him because He loves them.
Or do you think that anything can come about aside from the will of God?
This is an interesting question. Before time, God knew that adam would sin. During time, adam sinned. God did not prohibit adam from sinning even though God could have. This is what we mean by God permitting sin to enter the world. It shows you that God respects freewill. Even if one's man's freewill means the death of billions, freewill once given cannot be withdrawn. Therefore, God permits the entry of sin into the word. Before time, He devised a plan for man to excape form the consequences of sin. During time, He sends Jesus to redeem sinful men.
Its not that adam sinned and made God helpless and shocked. God allowed adam to exercise freewill. God permits the entry of sin into the world.
Why does he exist at all, is a more applicable question.
You mean, why did God create Lucifer? Simple, to be angel who serves God and fellowships with God.
What a more applicable question really is, "why did lucifer sin?"
For what other purpose did God create this Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil if it was not intended to ever be discovered? Think it through. Eating it was all part of the master plan.
Yes. The Tree of knowledge of good and evil was meant to be discovered.
But that doesn't imply that eating its fruit (which God forbids) automatically follows
Once the tree was seen by adam, two things could have happened: One, adam eating fruit. Two, adam, not eating fruit.
I say God's desire was that Adam resist the temptation and follow path two. But adam failed God.

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Message 84 of 477 (548516)
02-27-2010 10:31 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by Dr Adequate
02-27-2010 10:07 PM


Re: Reckless Endangerment
Could you translate that into Sane, I don't speak Loony.
Oh,oh are you switching to sane now, you bilingual genius? Since you speak loony so consistently (though unaware of it apparently), I was replying loony too. Sorry. Yeah, lets switch modes. I'm all for it.
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Taz
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Message 85 of 477 (548522)
02-27-2010 11:15 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by Pauline
02-27-2010 8:43 PM


Dr. Sing writes:
On what basis do you hate something you've never seen? Have you ever seen your hatred? Touched it? Well, I think your hatred is non-existent as well. Therefore, you hate your hatred of non-existent things. No wonder evolutionists are what they are.
My apologies for not making it clear enough yet again in the last post.
I don't hate supernaturalism just like I don't hate any other non-existent thing like a goblin.
That video is absolute dung. That is NOT Christianity, NOT the teaching of the Bible, NOT authentic preaching, NOT worthy to be seen. Prosperity gospel is pseudo gospel. Jesus doesn't promise you $ 47000 if you trust in Him. He says the world will HATE you if you trust in me. Which is precisely what I get on these forums. I tell you, God will punish these false christians so much for demeaning His Gospel that smoke from hell will choke angels sitting in heaven watching them burn!! Idiotic video, wasted my precious time.
Give me a break. If anything, it's the world that hates us atheists. Currently, a politician can commit political suicide by either admitting he's gay or he's an atheist.
Being an atheist automatically makes you unelectable. And the next harder group to get elected into a public office is the gays.
So, please, stop deluding yourself with this persecution complex. I freely admit this is at heart a christian nation, which is why I always worry in the back of my mind that one day christians might actually drag my wife and me out of our bed, hang us on a tree, and light us on fire for witchcraft or some other christian bullshit.
SO, are videos of this kind where your knowledge of Christianity comes from?
I grew up in a christian conservative family. After spending the first 20 years of my life hating gay people, I finally realized that religion only made me hate.
I've said this many times on this forum. Christians usually claim to have the moral high ground. I beg to differ. I personally think that religion in general is evil at heart and a threat to human rights. And I will spend my last dying breath preventing you people from persecuting others like you've always done in the past.
Added by edit.
People donated to this guy 23 million dollars in one year. You want to talk about hating ignorance?
See, how come I don't see you people protesting against guys like this? How come I always see you people protesting against the gheys? Where are your moral high grounds?
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Blue Jay
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Message 86 of 477 (548533)
02-27-2010 11:57 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by ZenMonkey
02-24-2010 8:55 PM


Re: Clarification, please?
Hi, ZenMonkey.
ZenMonkey writes:
This phrase "baptized for the dead" is a beautiful case in point. What's this connector "for" mean? For the sake of? In place of?
What's the difference? I don't think there is a way to interpret the connector "for" such that 1 Cor. 15:29 doesn't say that dead people can receive baptism.
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ZenMonkey writes:
Anyway, this whole baptism after death thing seems like yet another way of looking for a loophole in an evil, unjust game.
But, that's what you were asking for!
That my providing what you asked for didn't change your mind tells me that your asking for it was just a red herring.

-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)
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ZenMonkey
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Message 87 of 477 (548544)
02-28-2010 12:59 AM
Reply to: Message 86 by Blue Jay
02-27-2010 11:57 PM


Re: Clarification, please?
Hi Bluejay,
Bluejay writes:
ZenMonkey writes:
This phrase "baptized for the dead" is a beautiful case in point. What's this connector "for" mean? For the sake of? In place of?
What's the difference? I don't think there is a way to interpret the connector "for" such that 1 Cor. 15:29 doesn't say that dead people can receive baptism.
Except it doesn't quite say that.
quote:
Now if there is no resurrection, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized for them?
- 1 Cor. 15:29
To me, this says that it's living people who are being baptized for the dead, whatever that might mean. It doesn't say that the dead themselves are receiving baptism in some manner. This may be nit-picking, but as I said, a lot of Christian doctrine comes out of nit-picking and all kinds of extrapolation. Thus I was hoping someone who reads Greek competently could clarify the grammatical construction before we come to any conclusions about what the theology says.
Bluejay writes:
ZenMonkey writes:
Anyway, this whole baptism after death thing seems like yet another way of looking for a loophole in an evil, unjust game.
But, that's what you were asking for!
That my providing what you asked for didn't change your mind tells me that your asking for it was just a red herring.
The point I was trying to make is that God's damnation game is inherently unfair. The fact that people try so hard to find loopholes in the rules just underlies how much anyone with a conscience intuitively senses that the whole set-up is unjust and evil. It's much easier for Christians to spin an unsubstantiated doctrine like the "age of accountability" out of a few straws of scripture than to admit to uncomfortable and inevitable conclusions. Doctrines like this aren't part of the system; they're ways of making excuses for the system.
As I said earlier, the Bible appears to be quite clear about salvation and Hell. The inherent sinfulness of humanity and the impossibility of salvation without Christ logically lead to the conclusion that people who have had literally no chance whatsoever to hear about Christ - even fetuses in the womb, fergoodnessake - are all going to suffer eternal torment through no fault of their own. To say that such a petty, petulant, vicious God is really so good and loving is the the most extreme case of beaten spouse syndrome that I've ever heard of.

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Message 88 of 477 (548550)
02-28-2010 2:01 AM
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02-28-2010 12:59 AM


Re: Clarification, please?
Hi, ZenMonkey.
ZenMonkey writes:
The point I was trying to make is that God's damnation game is inherently unfair.
I know what your point was. But, that point was just back-peddling after I provided an obvious and logical solution to the original question you asked, which was:
ZenMonkey writes:
What is just or loving about a God that delivers people to eternal torment who, by reason of chronology and/or geography, have had literally no way at all of hearing about Christ, even though Christ is the only way to eternal life?
Source: Message 6
After I answered this, you redirected the discussion into a completely different point about Original Sin (which I find to be as morally repugnant as you do).
You asked for X.
I gave you X.
Then, you said that what you were really looking for was Y.
And, I justifiably complained.
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ZenMonkey writes:
quote:
Now if there is no resurrection, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized for them?
- 1 Cor. 15:29
To me, this says that it's living people who are being baptized for the dead, whatever that might mean. It doesn't say that the dead themselves are receiving baptism in some manner. This may be nit-picking...
This is beyond nit-picking! This is feigning ignorance! You’re deliberately squinting your eyes so you can claim that the meaning is unclear!
I repeat: there is no way to interpret this scripture such that it doesn’t mean the dead are intended to benefit from an ordinance performed by the living, no matter how many subtleties of Greek grammar you care to invoke!

-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)
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anglagard
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Message 89 of 477 (548554)
02-28-2010 3:43 AM
Reply to: Message 59 by Buzsaw
02-24-2010 10:01 PM


Thanks Buz
Buzsaw writes:
I don't support human slavery. I report that it was sanctioned in the OT, nor did Jesus or the apostles condemn it, nor did they express support for it. It was a part of all human cultures on the planet at one time or other. That doesn't mean that I support it. I don't know where you got that notion, Anglagard.
Thank you for a clear answer. With some of your responses over the last few months, I was getting, what to me, were some mixed messages.
As well, the Greek word for god, theos is not capitalized, nor is the word Lord/kurios/master or the term, holy spirit. None of these words are proper names which should be capitalized. The translators chose to take it upon themselves to capitalize the names figuring it showed respect. I do capitalize Holy Spirit and God sometimes, depending on how I use them, though I don't think it matters a lot. I'm generally of the opinion that the translators should translate exactly as the manuscript states rather than taking it upon themselves to change what has been inpired by God. (I caped here more or less so not to offend some who don't understand this as I often do) If I said "the god, Jehovah," I do not cap "god."
Thanks for clearing that up, as a supposed heretic, I was just curious.
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The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes.
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This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - the character Rorschach in Watchmen

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