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DC85
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Message 106 of 123 (548408)
02-27-2010 2:06 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by Pauline
02-27-2010 12:50 PM


I know this is off topic but I felt the need to answer these. If it persists I will have no problem relocating the post to a new thread
The God of the Bible is worshipped by far more people than the FSM.
This is irrelevant there are a large portion of people who believe humans have never been to the moon but that doesn't give the argument any weight.
There is historical evidence to back up Jesus' physical, human existence.
I may ask you to present this in another topic as I suspect many of you're "historical" evidence have been discredited such Josephus.
Why do you use B.C and A.D
Because society was up until a few centuries ago based around beliefs? Why bother to change the system? Seems pointless to do such a thing
The Bible was written about one man- Jesus Christ; 40 human beings over a span of 1500 years, never having lived in the same era, all wrote about one man.
I can make the same argument of many ancient and modern religions. These may be stories passed on a written down by people who already believed not to mention the similarities between other stories of other religions much older then Christianity. Ever play the game when you were a child "telephone" where you sit in a circle and whisper in you neighbor's ear?
Today, people report feeling a sense of peace and hope when they believe in Jesus.
As does anyone who believes in any other belief system. I suspect this is no different then then that feeling you got with your first love. It "feels" like you were meant to be together. I call it wishful thinking.
As an atheist, why do think murder is "bad" and charity is "love"? Why a sense of morality?
Because anything immoral causes pain and suffering. I do not like to feel pain or to suffer... Why should I want to do it anyone else? I don't want my wallet stolen because I will suffer... So I don't go around stealing wallets.
When you dissect finch tummies, you find the same food stuff
This is not true. The galpogos Finches diets range from exclusively insects to seeds. How would this help your argument if it wasn't the case ?
Why don't other species like gila monsters migrate too? Why only birds
Many mammals in herds migrate also evidence shows many dinosaurs migrated. Why would all species keep this adaptation if there is no stresses on the species to keep migrating? Many Canadian geese here in Virginia never migrate back north... These geese either through some mutation or lack of social direction do not migrate and seem to not be harmed by not doing so.
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DC85
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Message 117 of 123 (548487)
02-27-2010 9:14 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by Pauline
02-27-2010 5:46 PM


In a population of 100 people, if 99 believe X to be true and 1 doesn't, what do you infer about X? 99= Christianity; 1=FSM Does that not imply anything at all to you? If it doesn't, I'm sorry, but it does to me.
Why would it? Do you not have your own mind? A large portion of Americans believe George Washington had wooden teeth. That doesn't make it true.
will if you want me to. But please, work on your english....you're historical?
I changed that sentence around a few times and it did at one time mean "you are" . Either way I'm a science person and never have been great with english. When I type fast it hardly seems important. I'm sorry if it annoys you. Your ignorance of basic Biology tends to annoy me.
What I did mean to say is Josephus has been discredited so I do hope you have something better.
) Yet, we have B.C and A.D. Simply because it is legitimate to divide history based on a phenomenal man's existence.
No we have this Divide because people believed there was a phenomenal man. It's pointless to change the system. What would be the point? I for one could care less as long as everyone knows when I'm talking about.
Okay, make your argument for other religions then, I'd like to hear it.
I wouldn't have to. Talk to anyone who isn't Chrisitan. They all get that warm fuzzy comfort feeling from beliefs.
call it whatever you like. You have a tongue. You don't have to call it what I call it. Infact I don't expect you to call it what I call it because you don't even know what feeling I'm talking about. OF course you call it something else than it really is.
How do you know what I've felt? I was a Christian and honestly beileved I felt Jesus in my heart. It was a very hard feeling to shake just like my first love was. I realized that they both were wishful thinking on my part . I wanted them to be true so I deluded myself into believing they were true. You're of course going to pull crap out like "If you really felt it you wouldn't have turned away" but you would be making assumptions about my feelings you know nothing about.
Aww, but if you don't want your wallet to be stolen, the thief will suffer! As a moral atheist, do you not want this earth to be a better place for everyone?
Of course I do in American politics I would be called a "bleeding heart".
he thief is a poor guy who needs ameal and maybe you own a mercedes.wheree's your sense of equality?
That's fine where is yours?
Why is the thief not entitled to your wallet?
Why not? Because your God said so? He might very well need it and that's where morallty gets sketchy. However my Morals are based on emotions through feeling pain of my own and the pain of others. Yours are because "God said so".I think my view of morality makes more sense for everyone then yours does.
God doesn't do much for us, right?
You said it... I would never makes such a claim as I do not believe such a thing exists
I read it. Then what is true?
Some finches eat only seeds. Some Finches eat only insects. That's why it isn't true.
. You see my whole point is not why birds migrate..its why don't cats? And what do you define as "stress to migrate"?
Many species have adapted to the same stresses with different adaptations for instance bears Hibernate. I don't understand how birds migrating and other species not doing the same disproves evolution. Why should cats migrate because everything evolved? Please explain your logic.
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DC85
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Message 119 of 123 (548496)
02-27-2010 9:31 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by Pauline
02-27-2010 9:20 PM


I've also seen that this debate is going nowhere.
That's it.
They usually don't if one of person isn't educated on the topic , refuses to use rational arguments or listen to rational arguments
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DC85
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Message 121 of 123 (548512)
02-27-2010 10:17 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by Pauline
02-27-2010 9:45 PM


you consider questioning my morals and attacking me on the fact that I'm an atheist not hate? What do you think of an atheist? Be honest.
I guess that's typical of your brand of Christianity. You think Christians are the only ones who are allowed to be victims. They don't consider the times they hurt people and attack people hate.
edit: I'm sorry for swaying the topic this far to anyone else who was interested.
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