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hooah212002
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Message 46 of 124 (548249)
02-26-2010 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by dronestar
02-26-2010 11:27 AM


Re: Yeah, truly sad
Your message #40 tried to deflect/marginalize the blame from American's illegal and immoral invasion by implying Saddam was ultimately responsible for all/most/equal of the deaths.
Quite not. I was simply pointing out that Saddam killed his own people. Did we FORCE him to do so? No. Did we supply him? Yes. I don't deny that. But to say that we are fully responsible for him gassing his own people is erroneous.
When I called you on it
You didn't "call me" on anything.
you didn't contest my facts.
Verbatim? No. I do agree that we provided him with some of the equipment to do what he did. We also provided Hitler with weapons (O.o. Godwin).
By not contesting any of my facts, you thus, indirectly admitted that America is indeed MOSTLY to blame (message #44).
I did no such thing. Don't put words in my mouth.
Finally, when faced with FULLY losing the argument, you shamelessly changed the topic to my place of residence.
Again, I did no such thing. There is no argument to be lost. YOU are inciting one. You take any opportunity you can to bash the U.S.. That is all any argument you have amounts to.

"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."
-Carl Sagan

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dronestar
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Message 47 of 124 (548255)
02-26-2010 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by hooah212002
02-26-2010 12:16 PM


With ENTHUSIASTIC American support/training/materials, Saddam gassed 1000s of Kurds.
(take another look at smiling Rumsfeld):
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The American illegal and immoral Iraqi invasion has caused over 1,000,000 murdered civilians. And climbing.
Now, who is worse:
1. Saddam - 1000s murdered (with US support)
or
2. Bush Jr. 1,000,000s murdered?
Unless you are as good in math as you are in ethics, you should pick #2. If #2, why are you giving me grief for openly stating my contempt for war criminals?
You take any opportunity you can to bash the U.S.
And you take any opportunity you can to deflect the USA's responsibility to its 1,000,000s victims. Why? Working indirectly in the social services field, I can think of a few possibilities, but I want from your mouth. Really, why?

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hooah212002
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Message 48 of 124 (548256)
02-26-2010 1:13 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by dronestar
02-26-2010 1:02 PM


And you take any opportunity you can to deflect the USA's responsibility to its 1,000,000s victims.
Try (I know it's hard for you) to not put words in my mouth. I've already asked you once, I won't say it again.
Let me ask you again: why don't you move to a different country?

"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."
-Carl Sagan

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dronestar
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Message 49 of 124 (548258)
02-26-2010 1:35 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by hooah212002
02-26-2010 1:13 PM


The current topic is Bush Jr. is a war criminal
Attaboy Hooahh. Don't contest my facts. Avoid the subject. Change the topic.

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hooah212002
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Message 50 of 124 (548259)
02-26-2010 1:54 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by dronestar
02-26-2010 1:35 PM


Re: The current topic is Bush Jr. is a war criminal
The current topic is Bush Jr. is a war criminal.
I'm afraid it's not. Check the OP (hint: I started the thread).
Don't contest my facts.
Are you this dense on purpose? What is your point? What "facts" are you putting out there I am supposed to contest? I already said I pretty much agree with you. But since I am not a fervent Amerikkka hater like you, I must be a Bush lover, right? I must be an enemy.
Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.

"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."
-Carl Sagan

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 51 of 124 (548304)
02-26-2010 5:42 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by dronestar
02-26-2010 9:06 AM


Soapbox
Saddam would have caused little harm WITHOUT the ACTIVE support of the USA. It was American help which lifted him to position in Iraq. Even after America gave Saddam the weapons to gas the Kurds, even after world outcry over these atrocities, America turned around and gave him another billion dollars of military/training aid.
It is true that US foreign policy has many times picked what it felt was a lesser of two evils in one instance and at one time in order to fight proxy wars. The Russians fought the US proxy through Vietnam. Funding the Muhajedin in Afghanistan was our Cold War effort to retaliate by proxy.
What often happens as a result of such interventionist strategy is something the CIA terms as "blowback," which is an unintended consequence for its actions. The theory they seem to forget is that the enemy of my enemy does not mean he is my friend by default. The US has had to learn that the hard way many times over.
Iraq in the 80's was very much a blowback that would haunt the US intelligence community even to this day.
Or . . . you can continue to live in your delusion that Saddam acted entirely alone.
The issue is that I've noticed that demonizing the Bush administration is one of your favorite soapboxes. On several occasions I've seen you smuggle in this topic in through the backdoor on other totally irrelevant topics like this one.
There is little question in my mind that catastrophic blunders have been made, huge miscalculations that we all pay for in one way or another. I am not diminishing the failures or the outright lies perpetrated by a group of rogue armchair warrior. However, I think you have lost some objectivity on the subject because of your virulent hatred for Bush & Co.
The reality of the situation is that truth concerning the matter usually lies somewhere in between your position and a diehard Bush fanatic. So we need to find some perspective in order to continue, and it should probably be done on a new thread since this is OT.

"Political correctness is tyranny with manners." -- Charlton Heston

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Buzsaw
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Message 52 of 124 (548317)
02-26-2010 8:38 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by hooah212002
02-16-2010 2:05 AM


Re: Sad
hooah writes:
And they get away with it because they hide it behind their religion. Since when did it become acceptable to say such things about the President? You brush it off as "no big deal", "he's just a religious wackjob", but someone from his church has already killed in the name of his god. Is it going to be "no big deal" when they assassinate the President?
{ABE} would it be "no big deal" if I went on the news and said exactly the same thing, but didn't hide behind my church?
Hooah, you'd likely ascribe to much of the idiology of leftist talk show host, Ed Shults who'd like to rip Dick Cheney's heart out and kick it around.
All ideological camps have these nutjobs. You choose to ignore all of the benevolent things Christians do in the world. Your impetus appears to be airing anything you can dig up against Christains and Christianity.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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subbie
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Message 53 of 124 (548318)
02-26-2010 9:09 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by Buzsaw
02-26-2010 8:38 PM


Buz outdoes himself
Buz old bean, you've set a new standard. In a post of 4 sentences, you've managed to make 4 different debating errors. Well done.
First sentence, poisoning the well.
Second sentence, tu quoque.
Third sentence, changing the subject.
Fourth sentence, ad hominem.
I'm going to ask you one simple question. The topic of the sentence is the despicability of praying for the death of President Obama. Do you condemn or support this action? Don't call anyone else names. Don't say others do worse. Just tell us whether you support or condemn the actions described in the OP.
I'm, laying 7 to 2 that you can't do that.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson
For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Buzsaw
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Message 54 of 124 (548323)
02-26-2010 10:03 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by subbie
02-26-2010 9:09 PM


Re: Missed Point
Subbie, if you were paying attention to my point that these kinds of people are nutjobs and that all camps have them, there's your answer.
Edited by Buzsaw, : change message title

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Message 55 of 124 (548324)
02-26-2010 10:04 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Buzsaw
02-26-2010 10:03 PM


Re: Buz outdoes himself
Yup, what I figured.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson
For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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hooah212002
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Message 56 of 124 (548350)
02-27-2010 12:22 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by Buzsaw
02-26-2010 8:38 PM


Re: Sad
First off, this has fuck shit to do with "leftist this" or "rightist that".
Second, I ascribe to no ideological anything. I'm too much of a fence sitter on most subjects. I can see the right/wrong on most any subject.
Third, Subbie is right. Address the TOPIC AT HAND. Don't bring up how I don't post all the wonderful things christians never do. Frankly? Shit like this outweighs anything remotely positive that could possibly be done by religion.
I like how you couldn't even bring yourself to chastise this individual. Classic Buz.

"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."
-Carl Sagan

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 57 of 124 (548384)
02-27-2010 8:47 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by Buzsaw
02-26-2010 8:38 PM


Re: Sad
All ideological camps have these nutjobs. You choose to ignore all of the benevolent things Christians do in the world. Your impetus appears to be airing anything you can dig up against Christains and Christianity.
I can agree with all of that.

"Political correctness is tyranny with manners." -- Charlton Heston

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Buzsaw
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Message 58 of 124 (548527)
02-27-2010 11:32 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by hooah212002
02-27-2010 12:22 AM


Re: Nutjob = Wingnut
hooah writes:
I like how you couldn't even bring yourself to chastise this individual. Classic Buz.
"Fuck shit." What's that stuff got to do with the topic? When are you going to grow up and learn how to communicate in public, man?
The topic says this individual is a wingnut. Buz says as much i.e. a nutjob. What's with you and Subbie? You two just looking to say anything demeaning to someone you obviously hate or are you interested in posting sensibly and civily?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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hooah212002
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Message 59 of 124 (548529)
02-27-2010 11:41 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by Buzsaw
02-27-2010 11:32 PM


Re: Nutjob = Wingnut
"Fuck shit." What's that stuff got to do with the topic? When are you going to grow up and learn how to communicate in public, man?
Are you really going to cry about me using harsh language?

"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."
-Carl Sagan

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Message 60 of 124 (548536)
02-28-2010 12:29 AM
Reply to: Message 59 by hooah212002
02-27-2010 11:41 PM


Re: Nutjob = Wingnut
I will not echo Buzz's sentiments here, but if you would allow I would use you as a foil to make one point.
Profanity has its uses in conversation to emphasize specific points and to convey deep emotions. I have noticed that, I would say most of, our younger members are quite liberal in its usage. As such it tends to lose its effectiveness. In a forum like this, even in the Coffee House, it should be sparingly used and only when no other fucking syntax would suffice.
I realize some will disagree but I don't really give a shit. The liberal use of profanity to an ineffective end is a negative in the perceived intellect of the user.
And, please, Hooah, this is not directed at you personally. You are just in the right place at the right time.
Since this is far off-topic fuck it.
Edited by AZPaul3, : my fucking syntax ain't worth shit.

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