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Topic: WooHoo! More idiots running the gub'ment.
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hooah212002
Member (Idle past 822 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: 08-12-2009
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Message 1 of 245 (548492)
02-27-2010 9:25 PM
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Republicans leading America toward a theocracy A legislator from Virginia cites a passage from the Bible that says if a woman has a child with some kind of disability, then she must have aborted her first pregnancy based on dramatic evidence. The Virginia delegate (Bob Marshall R, Manassas) who made the comment went on to cite Exodus 13:2 as his authority, and passed this information on to Governor McDonnell as a reason to stop support of Planned Parenthood. Governor McDonnell says he will revoke support for Planned Parenthood in Virginia, but he did not say whether Marshall’s rendering of the facts swayed his decision. Earlier this month, Governor McDonnell changed the employment discrimination laws in Virginia to exclude gays from employment discrimination protection based on an edict from God that claims gays are an abomination. Here is a somewhat of a transcript of what bob Marshall said: The number of children who are born subsequent to a first abortion who have handicaps has increased dramatically. Why? Because when you abort the firstborn of any, nature takes its vengeance on the subsequent children. In the Old Testament, the first-born of every being, animal and man, was dedicated to the Lord. There’s a special punishment, Christians would suggest, and with the knowledge they have from faith has been verified by a study by the Virginia Commonwealth University. First abortions of the first pregnancy are much more damaging to the woman than latter abortions. "We are dealing with an attempt to defund, frankly, a malevolent organization. And I say that because you know people by their fruits. In 1960 (to) ’65, the out-of-wedlock birthrate for blacks was 25 percent. I think it was about 23 percent in 1960 it was 5 percent for all races. Now it’s 40 percent. It’s 72 percent for blacks, 51 percent for Latinas. These are the fruits of planned parenthood, OK? Nothing else. There you have it folks: politicians are using the bible more and more to make their decisions. And, as a retort to what Buz said to me in my other thread: please, oh please, show me one instance of someone taking away civil liberties NOT in the name of the bible. Show me where someone in a position of authority has used logic, reason, science and the like, to harm people. Show me where an atheist has don harm in the name of the FSM, or in the name of atheism. Show me a true "mad scientist" that harms people in the name of science. I can't ever find those instances, can you?
"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws." -Carl Sagan
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hooah212002
Member (Idle past 822 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: 08-12-2009
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Message 5 of 245 (548646)
02-28-2010 9:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 3 by Taz
02-28-2010 8:44 PM
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I may just stop proudly claiming my Illinesian roots then lol.
"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws." -Carl Sagan
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hooah212002
Member (Idle past 822 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: 08-12-2009
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Message 6 of 245 (548647)
02-28-2010 9:04 PM
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Reply to: Message 4 by Flyer75
02-28-2010 8:52 PM
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Ummmm....except there are federal laws preventing discrimination based on sexual orientation in the work place. Not sure what law you are reading in Illinois? Do you have a link? This is not the first state I've heard of doing this.
"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws." -Carl Sagan
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hooah212002
Member (Idle past 822 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: 08-12-2009
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Message 8 of 245 (548649)
02-28-2010 9:10 PM
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Reply to: Message 7 by Buzsaw
02-28-2010 9:07 PM
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Re: Poor Babes
So what if it's a religious conviction, Would you feel the same if these decisions were based on satanistic beliefs?
"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws." -Carl Sagan
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hooah212002
Member (Idle past 822 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: 08-12-2009
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Message 12 of 245 (548658)
02-28-2010 10:05 PM
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Reply to: Message 10 by Taz
02-28-2010 9:51 PM
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Can someone break down the legaleze for me? It appears to put religion and LGBT in the same category? Is it saying that people CAN be discriminated against for religious reasons, but only by religious/non-profit groups?
Amends the Illinois Human Rights Act. In the Employment Article, provides that the Act does not apply to a religious organization, association, or society or any nonprofit institution or organization operated, supervised, or controlled by or in conjunction with a religious organization, association, or society with respect to employment qualifications based on religion or sexual orientation. Effective January 1, 2011. Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.
"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws." -Carl Sagan
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hooah212002
Member (Idle past 822 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: 08-12-2009
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Message 18 of 245 (548674)
02-28-2010 11:22 PM
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Reply to: Message 15 by Buzsaw
02-28-2010 10:43 PM
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Re: Poor Babes
I would certainly work harder to have reps of a different mindset elected. Why? I thought:
Buzsaw writes: So what if it's a religious conviction, religious conviction doesn't matter? You judge someone by their religious conviction, only when it differs from that of your own?
"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws." -Carl Sagan
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hooah212002
Member (Idle past 822 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: 08-12-2009
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Message 23 of 245 (548687)
03-01-2010 12:55 AM
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Reply to: Message 22 by ZenMonkey
03-01-2010 12:49 AM
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Re: Poor Babes
And while I agree to an extent with Buz that lawmakers can propose legislation for any reason that enters their befuddled, rodent-like minds, the legislation that they produce can not have a a result that is clearly unconstitutional. They can't legislate religious doctrine. Right. I agree....to an extent. However, when the basis for these decisions is warped (take my OP for a prime example) then the outcome is just as warped. There should be no room for religion in government. Not only because it is archaic, but because what one religion thinks is right is hardly ever in line with what any other group thinks is right..... even in the same religion (look at the "Is jesus god" thread). So how can we ensure they are acting in the best interests of their constituants if their judgement is clouded by their given religious doctrine? Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.
"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws." -Carl Sagan
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hooah212002
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My advice to you is not to turn this in to an "Us versus Them" thing. That would only further perpetuate ignorance. I intend no such thing. I only said that (which I pointed out) because Buz accused me of only pointing out christians doing wrong.
hooah212002 in the OP writes: And, as a retort to what Buz said to me in my other thread:
"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws." -Carl Sagan
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hooah212002
Member (Idle past 822 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: 08-12-2009
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Message 87 of 245 (548880)
03-02-2010 9:08 AM
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Reply to: Message 83 by Buzsaw
03-02-2010 8:36 AM
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Re: What Use To Be
I would like to see that one-to one study, Buz, of how exactly reading the judeo-christian bible in school correlates to the incline/decline of America.
"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws." -Carl Sagan
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hooah212002
Member (Idle past 822 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: 08-12-2009
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Message 88 of 245 (548882)
03-02-2010 9:19 AM
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Reply to: Message 86 by Buzsaw
03-02-2010 8:56 AM
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Re: A secular system...
Secular1 a : of or relating to the worldly or temporal b : not overtly or specifically religious c : not ecclesiastical or clerical
(see bolded section)
Humanism1 a : devotion to the humanities : literary culture b : the revival of classical letters, individualistic and critical spirit, and emphasis on secular concerns characteristic of the Renaissance Ideology1.
the body of doctrine, myth, belief, etc., that guides an individual, social movement, institution, class, or large group.
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such a body of doctrine, myth, etc., with reference to some political and social plan, as that of fascism, along with the devices for putting it into operation. So, basically what you want Buz, is for schools to be more worried about christian doctrine than social ideals? Please explain what, pray tell, the "secular ideology" is, anyways (in your own words, from your perspective) and HOW exactly it is harming our country (not just that it is keeping our school children free from indoctrination).
"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws." -Carl Sagan
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hooah212002
Member (Idle past 822 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: 08-12-2009
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Message 97 of 245 (548905)
03-02-2010 11:05 AM
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Reply to: Message 96 by Taz
03-02-2010 11:02 AM
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Everything about those regimes resemble theocratic rule. Apparently, anything not-christianity is atheism. Buddhist? =Atheist Muslim? =Atheist Hindu? =Atheist Commy Basterd? =Atheist Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.
"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws." -Carl Sagan
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hooah212002
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Message 180 of 245 (549771)
03-10-2010 6:58 PM
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Reply to: Message 171 by Buzsaw
03-10-2010 9:31 AM
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Re: Athiestic Values
The difference, as I see it buz, is that you see atheism in the same light as christianity/religion in general. You assume "atheism" must ascribe to a central belief system just as you and your religion do. You must quantify yourself as christian: there are certain things you must ascribe to be a true christian, or even christian in general. The same goes for any religion. Atheism, in my opinion, is just a word attached to someone who doesn't believe in god. There is no central tenet of beliefs (rather the opposite). Are there atheist groups? Sure. But that's just the same as there are LAN parties or stamp collector gatherings. Is there a value-set for stamp collectors too? So many times have I seen on this forum YOU telling others they are not christians because of what they do or don't do. Can you do the same for an atheist? Hell, you may even consider a Buddhist an atheist. If you see a christian, you would ask "what makes him a christian?". You would then have to quantify all of his misgivings and think about whether he is a christian or not. If you see an atheist, you ask "does he believe in god?". If the answer is no, he's an atheist. Simple, to the point. No rigamarole to adhere to. [sarcasm]Well, I suppose you could say we all kneel and pray to His Holiness Dawkins and Darwin The All-Mighty.[/sarcasm]
"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan "On a personal note I think he's the greatest wrestler ever. He's better than Lou Thesz, Gorgeous George -- you name it."-The Hulkster on Nature Boy Ric Flair
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hooah212002
Member (Idle past 822 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: 08-12-2009
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Message 194 of 245 (549838)
03-11-2010 1:28 AM
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Reply to: Message 191 by Buzsaw
03-11-2010 12:05 AM
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Re: Athiestic Values
You know, there's a reason gays stayed in the proverbial closet until the 1960s or so. It's because it's not natural and most cultures considered it to be as deviant as adultery, fornication and prostitution. No, buz, that is not the reason. That os YOUR reason for wanting them to be back in the closet. That is YOUR reason for hating them.
Most cultures considered it to degrade the culture and an embarrasment out of the closet. Oh really? Like which? Oh, you mean christians and chrisitans only. Catholics fuck little boys=gay. The romans did it too. Ancient Greeks? Yep.
I treat gays the same as everyone else, BULLSHIT you do. That is an utter farce and you know it. A lie buz, a lie.
Whether you go with evolution or ID, the sex organs were no more designed for gay sex than your car was designed for an all positive battery or a male pipe fitting was designed to connect to another male fitting. My cock will fit the same in a man's ass the same as it does in my old lady's cooter. Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.
"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan "On a personal note I think he's the greatest wrestler ever. He's better than Lou Thesz, Gorgeous George -- you name it."-The Hulkster on Nature Boy Ric Flair
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hooah212002
Member (Idle past 822 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: 08-12-2009
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Message 196 of 245 (549845)
03-11-2010 3:25 AM
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Reply to: Message 195 by Huntard
03-11-2010 3:06 AM
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Re: Athiestic Values
Satans animals, Huntard, satans animals.
"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan "On a personal note I think he's the greatest wrestler ever. He's better than Lou Thesz, Gorgeous George -- you name it."-The Hulkster on Nature Boy Ric Flair
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hooah212002
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Message 208 of 245 (550119)
03-12-2010 7:38 PM
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Reply to: Message 200 by Percy
03-12-2010 4:44 PM
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Re: Texas Rewrites History
I even read in one article, some members wanted the Tea Party movement to be put into text books. Already. It's not even history yet for crying out loud. {ABE} Wow, this shit is thick. They are removing Thomas Jefferson and replacing him with......Thomas Aquinas.
The standard was about the Enlightenment and political revolutions that led to modern liberal democracy. So they removed the Enlightenment references and Thomas Jefferson, who played a key role in the two most prominent revolutions in the history of the Western world, and replaced them with Thomas Aquinas, who lived 500 years before the Enlightenment, and John Calvin, who lived 200 years before the Enlightenment and was a major figure in an entirely different period of history, the Reformation, which preceded the Enlightenment. 12:32 - Board member Cynthia Dunbar argues that the Founders didn't intend for separation of church and state in America. And she's off on a long lecture about why the Founders intended to promote religion. She calls this amendment "not historically accurate." http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2010/03/texas_boe_removes_jefferson_fr.php Good job on keeping up the ignorance Texas. Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.
"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan "On a personal note I think he's the greatest wrestler ever. He's better than Lou Thesz, Gorgeous George -- you name it."-The Hulkster on Nature Boy Ric Flair
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