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Coyote
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Message 20 of 245 (548679)
03-01-2010 12:10 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Buzsaw
02-28-2010 10:43 PM


Re: Poor Babes
Buz, what you don't seem to realize is that no matter now many folks vote your way the constitution forbids you to impost a theocracy, or any of your pet religious beliefs, on the rest of us.
Check out the Lemon test. The actions of government must have a secular purpose.
We are products of the Enlightenment, and we've left the Dark Ages behind. (Of course, the shamans will sneak back in any crack, given half a chance.)

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 40 of 245 (548800)
03-01-2010 9:44 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Buzsaw
03-01-2010 9:06 PM


Re: Poor Babes
Shamans? Say what? Pray tell when the Shamans were any kind of a significant threat.
When I use the term I refer to peddlers of religion of all stripes, not just those in primitive societies.
It appears that you want that governments establish athiestic and secular humanist values upon the rest of us.
Secular is the base position, the default, when it comes to government! They can't legitimately teach your religious beliefs or anyone else's. Nor, by extension, can schools.
And no, the secular is not a religion no matter how often that lie is told.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 50 of 245 (548820)
03-02-2010 12:05 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by Buzsaw
03-01-2010 11:57 PM


Re: A secular system...
A secular System protects everyone's freedom
No it doesn't. It denys religious people the freedom to exercise religion relative to whatever extent the elected reps decide upon.
A secular system denies you the ability to force others to kowtow to your religious beliefs.
This is where the whole ID thing (along with creationism and creation "science" before it) enters the picture. Creation "science" and ID were cooked up in a dishonest attempt to sneak creationism back into the schools after it had been removed by the courts.
This was an attempt by creationists to force their religious beliefs on others. That has rightly been denied by the courts.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 58 of 245 (548830)
03-02-2010 12:39 AM
Reply to: Message 55 by Buzsaw
03-02-2010 12:28 AM


Re: A secular system...
Buz, we live in a constitutional republic, not a democracy.
You folks simply aren't going to force your particular brand of religion back into the public schools. You really should get used to the idea.
And no, you don't want all beliefs examined equally. That would be a comparative religion class (which I've taken). There different beliefs and practices are examined, often from an anthropological or historical perspective. But that's not what you want, is it?
You want to have your particular beliefs forced upon captive audiences in an effort to spread what you believe.
Those days are past unless you can come up with a theocracy and force everyone to follow your particular beliefs.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 73 of 245 (548849)
03-02-2010 1:22 AM
Reply to: Message 71 by Buzsaw
03-02-2010 1:12 AM


Re: What Use To Be
Buz, the "end times" have been predicted almost annually for about 2,000 years. Probably more often of late.
The only consistent fact is that those predictions have all been wrong. Every last one of them. And in every case, there were a number of people, sometimes a lot of people, who believed just as strongly as you do.
But you are the best argument I've heard lately for fighting to keep a secular state. I really would not like to see young children exposed to your brand of belief. It would be healthier to let them run with sharp objects.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 76 of 245 (548852)
03-02-2010 1:40 AM
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03-02-2010 1:37 AM


Last I looked mine stayed the same.
Where have I failed?

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 92 of 245 (548891)
03-02-2010 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 83 by Buzsaw
03-02-2010 8:36 AM


Re: What Use To Be
The school kiddies, in America's past, were exposed to a whole lot more Bible for a long time than what they are today, embracing Biblical beliefs. Those were the days of America's incline. These are the days of America's decline.
And so you correlate the two? Do you have any evidence for that?
Are there, just possibly, any other factors that might be involved? Increasing population? Increasing diversity of population? Increasing education and wealth? Maturing of the social structure? Massively increased communication ability. Anything at all?
It is beginning to look like you are so self-blinded by your religious dogma that you can't see beyond it's boundaries.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 235 of 245 (551725)
03-23-2010 11:23 PM
Reply to: Message 234 by anglagard
03-23-2010 9:10 PM


Re: Texas Rewrites History
One of the problems you are seeing there is the "soc cons" or social conservatives are taking over where they can.
The traditional conservatives, who advocate small government and fiscal responsibility, have been pushed aside. These are the folks who could also be called "classic liberals."
The soc cons are giving the real conservatives a bad name; they believe in neither small government nor fiscal responsibility. They want the government to enforce their religious beliefs on the rest of us.
But we had The Enlightenment. We can tell them and their shamans to go jump.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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