WooHoo! More idiots running the gub'ment.

Rahvin writes:To identify this as some sort of purge to create a religion-free society is grossly dishonest, as it paints atheism as the cause when any honest glance at history shows that atheism itslef was a means to an end in this case, while actual religious purges are themselves the sought after end.

Buzsaw writes:Grossly dishonest? Why then did it become necessary to smuggle Bibles into the nation at the peril of imprisonment, torture and/or death?

Taz writes:The Chinese communists have succeeded in creating a religion of their own. And like you, they don't like competitions. You know... sort of like how you people keep trying to get the schools to lead prayers to jesus christ, amen.

Coyote writes:Buz, what you don't seem to realize is that no matter now many folks vote your way the constitution forbids you to impost a theocracy, or any of your pet religious beliefs, on the rest of us.
Check out the Lemon test. The actions of government must have a secular purpose.

Coyote writes:We are products of the Enlightenment, and we've left the Dark Ages behind. (Of course, the shamans will sneak back in any crack, given half a chance.)

My big heart BLEEDS for helpless crybabies who's looser agenda hasn't enough public support to elect representatives who will do their bidding.

Again, you distort my position.

What you want Taz is for gub'ment to continue the establishment of athiestic secularism into the schools and ban any religious exercisement in the schools. You people want to eliminate the republic so as to get your athiestic and secularist agenda exclusive in schools. You want the kiddies to be totally indoctrinated into your stuff.You people say that Stalin's only purpose in torture and holocaust was to eliminate anything opposing his agend. Well, guess what? That's exactly what you people want; anything that counters your agenda/ideology outlawed.

Grossly dishonest? Why then did it become necessary to smuggle Bibles into the nation at the peril of imprisonment, torture and/or death?Like China, they had a few state licensed show churches which were allowed only what the state mandated. The purpose of these were solely propaganda.

What you want Taz is for gub'ment to continue the establishment of athiestic secularism into the schools and ban any religious exercisement in the schools. You people want to eliminate the republic so as to get your athiestic and secularist agenda exclusive in schools. You want the kiddies to be totally indoctrinated into your stuff.

The Constitution has to do with what Congress can and cannot do. I can't impost anything. (Imo, establish is a better word) It appears that you want that governments establish athiestic and secular humanist values upon the rest of us. That, in fact is what is happening via the majority established gub'ment.

My big heart BLEEDS for helpless crybabies who's looser agenda hasn't enough public support to elect representatives who will do their bidding.

Again, you distort my position. I have not tried getting schools to lead prayers. I have advocated that local elected officials make a determination on that.

What you want Taz is for gub'ment to continue the establishment of athiestic secularism into the schools and ban any religious exercisement in the schools. You people want to eliminate the republic so as to get your athiestic and secularist agenda exclusive in schools. You want the kiddies to be totally indoctrinated into your stuff.

You people say that Stalin's only purpose in torture and holocaust was to eliminate anything opposing his agend. Well, guess what? That's exactly what you people want; anything that counters your agenda/ideology outlawed.

Shamans? Say what? Pray tell when the Shamans were any kind of a significant threat.

It appears that you want that governments establish athiestic and secular humanist values upon the rest of us.

What you want Taz is for gub'ment to continue the establishment of athiestic secularism into the schools and ban any religious exercisement in the schools.

You people want to eliminate the republic so as to get your athiestic and secularist agenda exclusive in schools.

You people say that Stalin's only purpose in torture and holocaust was to eliminate anything opposing his agend. Well, guess what? That's exactly what you people want; anything that counters your agenda/ideology outlawed.

Rahvin writes:Yes, Buz, grossly dishonest, although even Hyro's typical mindless middle habits pale in comparison to the complete red herring you're posting now.I never said China was a "good place."I simply said that it;s grossly dishonest for Hyro to say that:quote:
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As for how many atrocities have been committed under the pretense of some religion, it pales in comparison to the numbers murdered by despots seeking a religion-free utopian society in the last 100 years alone.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Hyro was being extremely inaccurate, both in saying that the atrocities committed by "atheist regimes" outnumber those committed in the name of religion, and by gross distortion in saying that the atrocities that were committed by those regimes were done to favor atheism or out of some atheistic mandate.Your words, Buz, of course have nothing whatsoever to do with any of that.
Saying "Oh yeah?! China is guilty of human rights abuses, including the repression of the freedom of religion!" doesn't in any way change the facts I stated above. it does nothing to further Hyro's accuracies.In short Buz, you posted a red herring.
And then:What you want Taz is for gub'ment to continue the establishment of athiestic secularism into the schools and ban any religious exercisement in the schools. You people want to eliminate the republic so as to get your athiestic and secularist agenda exclusive in schools. You want the kiddies to be totally indoctrinated into your stuff.BULLSHIT, you dihonest lying waste of bandwidth.
The law does not ban religious exercise in schools - it only bans school-led and publicly-funded religious exercise. that means kids CAN pray in school, but the teachers can't lead them in prayer. The two are very different. Your child can pray to Yahweh in school personally without fear of a teacher leading your child in a prayer to Allah or Visnu or Quetzalcoatl or being told that Yahweh does not exist.Public schools do not in any way say that God(s) does not exist. Public schools are required to simply say nothing about religion, so that (what a concept) parents and the children themselves can decide what religious beliefs they should or should not have, rather than those beliefs being dictated or even suggested by the state.
We've told you this so many times, Buz, that I'm straight-up calling you a liar. You are bearing false witness. You are making a false statement that you know to be false. Yes, Buz, grossly dishonest, although even Hyro's typical mindless middle habits pale in comparison to the complete red herring you're posting now.
I never said China was a "good place."
I simply said that it;s grossly dishonest for Hyro to say that:

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As for how many atrocities have been committed under the pretense of some religion, it pales in comparison to the numbers murdered by despots seeking a religion-free utopian society in the last 100 years alone.

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Hyro was being extremely inaccurate, both in saying that the atrocities committed by "atheist regimes" outnumber those committed in the name of religion, and by gross distortion in saying that the atrocities that were committed by those regimes were done to favor atheism or out of some atheistic mandate.
Your words, Buz, of course have nothing whatsoever to do with any of that.
Saying "Oh yeah?! China is guilty of human rights abuses, including the repression of the freedom of religion!" doesn't in any way change the facts I stated above. it does nothing to further Hyro's accuracies.
In short Buz, you posted a red herring.
And then: BULLSHIT, you dihonest lying waste of bandwidth.
The law does not ban religious exercise in schools - it only bans school-led and publicly-funded religious exercise. that means kids CAN pray in school, but the teachers can't lead them in prayer. The two are very different. Your child can pray to Yahweh in school personally without fear of a teacher leading your child in a prayer to Allah or Visnu or Quetzalcoatl or being told that Yahweh does not exist.
Public schools do not in any way say that God(s) does not exist. Public schools are required to simply say nothing about religion, so that (what a concept) parents and the children themselves can decide what religious beliefs they should or should not have, rather than those beliefs being dictated or even suggested by the state.
We've told you this so many times, Buz, that I'm straight-up calling you a liar. You are bearing false witness. You are making a false statement that you know to be false.

They simply deny the teaching of anything religious such as the Biblical record, etc.

Rahvin writes:We've told you this so many times, Buz, that I'm straight-up calling you a liar. You are bearing false witness. You are making a false statement that you know to be false

Buzsaw writes:Hyro was grossly accurate in stating that many more have been killed by despots seeking a religion free utopia.