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subbie
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Message 28 of 41 (548754)
03-01-2010 3:40 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by slevesque
03-01-2010 3:16 PM


Re: We Are All Mutants
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For my part I think the Junk DNA claim is just an old argument from ignorance.
Your position might have some validity if the conclusion of "junk DNA" has no basis other than, "Gosh, dunno what this does, it must be junk." In fact, however, that's not the case.
This letter to Nature describes an experiment involving the deletion of over 2,300 non-coding intervals from mice DNA with no apparent effect on the mice.
Now, I will grant you that there was no apparent effect, and one may yet be found. But of course, that will always be the case in any experiment of this sort, at least until our understanding of the functioning of DNA is more sophisticated. However, even you must concede that this experiment provides evidence for the existence of "junk DNA" beyond just not knowing what something does.
What's more, I found this in about 30 seconds. Thus, one might suppose that there's more such evidence out there. One might also suppose that your conclusion was based on zero time researching the matter, but, perhaps, simply your wishing and hoping it were so. In any event, I hope that for your part, you now understand that it's more than just an argument from ignorance.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson
For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Message 35 of 41 (548804)
03-01-2010 10:18 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by RAZD
03-01-2010 8:43 PM


Re: "junk DNA" now called "non-coding DNA"
Glad I could help, RAZD. Found it in a Wikipedia article.
Personally, I think I'll stick with "junk DNA." I'm not a professional in the field, so I'm not particularly concerned about what the officials have to say (plus it feeds my maverick instincts), and I like the sound of it. But I will probably continue to put scare quotes around it, acknowledging that it's nonstandard.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson
For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Message 39 of 41 (548844)
03-02-2010 1:09 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by Dr Adequate
03-01-2010 10:39 PM


Re: "junk DNA" now called "non-coding DNA"
It's best to distinguish between non-coding DNA and non-functional DNA, and leave the creation of ambiguity by the use of the word "junk" to the people who really need ambiguity.
You sure know how to harsh a guy's mellow, dude.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson
For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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