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ZenMonkey Member (Idle past 4531 days) Posts: 428 From: Portland, OR USA Joined: |
Here's a quick quiz.
Which sounds more like a rallying cry for persecution, pogroms and purges: 1. "God wills it!"2. "I see no convincing emperical evidence at this time to support the existence of a personal god." Take your time. I have no time for lies and fantasy, and neither should you. Enjoy or die. -John Lydon
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 305 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
It's just that you crybabies who are getting pretty much your way incessantly want more than what the elected reps have given you. As soon as some state or county loosens up an intsy tad on religion, you people screem and holler like spoiled brats who don't always get their way. Well, this certainly puts a few things into perspective. Up until now, for example, I had always thought that those people who complain about President Obama and the Democratic-controlled Senate and House were citizens urging democratic change by exercise of their inalienable right to freedom of speech. However, from now on I shall be guided by you, and think of them as "crybabies who incessantly want more than the elected reps have given them" and "spoiled brats who whine and holler". You have given me a valuable insight into the nature of democracy, and for that, sir, I thank you.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
DC85 writes: We Support a secular positionNo one is trying to ban children or teachers from praying in school HOWEVER The teacher who is a government employee is NOT to lead the prayer. why is that such an issue for you? Because just as the elected reps support a secular position, elected reps should be equally allowed to support a religious position without you people crying foul.
atheistic and secular is an oxymoron. Most atheists support a secular position however. A secular System protects everyone's freedom No it doesn't. It denys religious people the freedom to exercise religion relative to whatever extent the elected reps decide upon.
Wow you're undereducated... Holocaust was Christian doing not Communist or atheist Mmm, let me educate you up on holocaust, DC. A holocaust, relative to human cause is any excessive slaughter. I did not capitalize the word in the context that I used it. In reference to the Nazi Holocaust, it could be a proper name worthy of caps. Savvy? BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4210 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
As soon as some state or county loosens up an intsy tad on religion, you people screem and holler like spoiled brats who don't always get their way. The point is why should Muslems, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus etc. be forces to study Christian ideals? Why should Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus etc be forces to study Muslem Ideals? Why should Muslems, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus etc be forced to study Jewish ideals? The point is that by being secular, it doesn't put any one religion above the others and allows for religious freedom. There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2126 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
A secular System protects everyone's freedom No it doesn't. It denys religious people the freedom to exercise religion relative to whatever extent the elected reps decide upon. This is where the whole ID thing (along with creationism and creation "science" before it) enters the picture. Creation "science" and ID were cooked up in a dishonest attempt to sneak creationism back into the schools after it had been removed by the courts. This was an attempt by creationists to force their religious beliefs on others. That has rightly been denied by the courts. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Dr Adequate writes: Well, this certainly puts a few things into perspective. Up until now, for example, I had always thought that those people who complain about President Obama and the Democratic-controlled Senate and House were citizens urging democratic change by exercise of their inalienable right to freedom of speech. However, from now on I shall be guided by you, and think of them as "crybabies who incessantly want more than the elected reps have given them" and "spoiled brats who whine and holler". You have given me a valuable insight into the nature of democracy, and for that, sir, I thank you. Yah, Doc, we're hollering, loud and clear, mostly because of all of those unelected shadowy czars by which the Obama Administration is clandestanly bankrupting the nation, makeing us dependent upon our enemies for energy and undermining the republic for which we have stood these past centuries so as to remake it into a looser socialist state somewhat like his buddy Soros envisions. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2285 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.2
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My big heart BLEEDS for helpless crybabies who's looser agenda hasn't enough public support to elect representatives who will do their bidding.
It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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ZenMonkey Member (Idle past 4531 days) Posts: 428 From: Portland, OR USA Joined:
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Buzsaw writes: Because just as the elected reps support a secular position, elected reps should be equally allowed to support a religious position without you people crying foul. How odd. I thought that I was living in a country in which it was virtually impossible to get elected to national office without many, many protestations of one's belief in God, almost always the Christian God. I was under the impression that I lived in a country in which half the voters say that they would never vote for an "otherwise qualified" atheist candidate for president, making even a homosexual more likely to get elected. (And we know how likely that is.) I had no idea that all this religiosity amongst elected officials meant the government was a vast atheistic conspiracy, determined to stamp out Christianity entirely from public life. How could I have been so mistaken? I have no time for lies and fantasy, and neither should you. Enjoy or die. -John Lydon
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ZenMonkey Member (Idle past 4531 days) Posts: 428 From: Portland, OR USA Joined:
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To take a quote from Buffy the Vampire Slayer Season 8 that would appear to apply:
"You're talking crazy talk! Put words in word places!" I have no time for lies and fantasy, and neither should you. Enjoy or die. -John Lydon
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Coyote writes: A secular system denies you the ability to force others to kowtow to your religious beliefs.This is where the whole ID thing (along with creationism and creation "science" before it) enters the picture. Creation "science" and ID were cooked up in a dishonest attempt to sneak creationism back into the schools after it had been removed by the courts. This was an attempt by creationists to force their religious beliefs on others. That has rightly been denied by the courts. But Coyote, what you're denying is how a republic works. No matter what the elected reps implement, someone's ox is going to be gored. No system is perfect for everyone. If folks think they're being unduly forced into anything that's what the courts are for and that's good reason for them to work to have someonel else elected who will bless their wishes. Some of us would like some balance in the classroom so as to teach the positives and negatives of all beliefs. That's not happening and again, that's fine with me so long as that's what the majority wants. I'm not whining about that. I simply need to convince more sheeple to vote for my agenda.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2285 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.2
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But Coyote, what you're denying is how a republic works.
And Buz you're ignoring the constitution, the supreme law of your land. Why do you hate America?
If folks think they're being unduly forced into anything that's what the courts are for
And the courts have ruled, against you. It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Zen Monkey writes: making even a homosexual more likely to get elected. (And we know how likely that is. Zen, can you spell Barney Frank, who's been an elected official for how long? There's others. Hey, if a radical Obama can get elected, anybody but anybody can get elected who can organize up to the extent that his political machine did and wave off as many lies as he has. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2126 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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Buz, we live in a constitutional republic, not a democracy.
You folks simply aren't going to force your particular brand of religion back into the public schools. You really should get used to the idea. And no, you don't want all beliefs examined equally. That would be a comparative religion class (which I've taken). There different beliefs and practices are examined, often from an anthropological or historical perspective. But that's not what you want, is it? You want to have your particular beliefs forced upon captive audiences in an effort to spread what you believe. Those days are past unless you can come up with a theocracy and force everyone to follow your particular beliefs. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 305 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Yah, Doc, we're hollering, loud and clear, mostly because of all of those unelected shadowy czars by which the Obama Administration is clandestanly bankrupting the nation, makeing us dependent upon our enemies for energy and undermining the republic for which we have stood these past centuries so as to remake it into a looser socialist state somewhat like his buddy Soros envisions. So, according to you, you're crybabies and spoiled brats for doing so. Curiously enough, the contempt I feel for you almost equals the contempt that you apparently feel for yourself. But in my case, this is not because you oppose the status quo, which I regard as the right and sometimes the duty of every free man. No, it's because you appear to have gone off your head.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Bluescat writes: The point is why should Muslems, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus etc. be forces to study Christian ideals? Why should Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus etc be forces to study Muslem Ideals? Why should Muslems, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus etc be forced to study Jewish ideals? The point is that by being secular, it doesn't put any one religion above the others and allows for religious freedom. .......And if the majority are of a relatively common persuasion as was the case in the first half of our republic why should mum & dad's youngun be forced to be indoctrinated into secular humanist stuff and denied what has worked to produce the greatest nation on the planet up until recently when we are sliding into decline? BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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