WooHoo! More idiots running the gub'ment.

Please explain your understanding of the Soviet regime under Stalin and the Communist regime under Mao.These guys were totalitarian thugs, they were not attempting to make a utopian society. Unless maybe they thought that their ideal for them was a utopia. They were not specifically seeking a religion-free society. They were trying to eliminate any other potential rivals. That religion was one of their potential rivals does mean that they were more against it than anything else. They destroyed any organizations not controlled by themselves. For example, trade unions, independent media, independent universities.You make it sound like their main motive was destroying religion. Not anywhere close. Read some history on the subjects.BTW, I sure hope you were trying to include Hitler in you list.

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Please show how in your warped mind he is a radical.because he is black? Because is father was raised a moslem?

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So what do you think of schools having islamic or buddhist prayers. How about if teachers lead the kids in hindu devotiosn? Is that ok?

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Sorry been away a while. Not caught up and I am sure you cant be bothered to answer a simple question.
Oh well I expect nothing more from you

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Please explain what you mean by this? There was a mass exodus of christians from jerusalem after the 1967 war?I have been to the old city. There is a pretty vibrant christian population and presence there. Also, a strong islamic and jewish presence. I am not being pro or con Israle here. I just want to know what the hell you are talking about. Or at least what you think you are talking about.

Anti-religious does not equate to atheism. As shown by Stalin and the French Revolution, as two examples. For both I will grant they were anti-established religion, but it is very difficult to equate that to atheism.Also, your logic fails here. Atheism itself isn't a principle, cause, philosophy, or belief system which people fight, die, or kill for. Being killed by an atheist is no more being killed in the name of atheism than being killed by a tall person is being killed in the name of tallness.This is an interesting way for an atheist state that is trying to eliminate all religions to act. Source

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Why didn't you use the term moslem or arabic? Why gentile? Some sort of antisemitic thing? No one uses the word gentile except Jews and anti-semitics. Oh and Mormons.This is a wingnut dog whistle word. The average person thinks of christian when hearing gentile. Some dictionaries even define as Random House 2010Remember gentile also means non-Mormon to Mormons. So your word is a very very poor choice. But it definitely was a dog whistle.

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Typo on my part. I meant I sure hope you were not including Hitler. He was not an atheist and it has been shown conclusively on this forum and elsewhere that he had strong religious motivations. The problem is your equating anti-religious with atheism. they are not equivocal. They has been a lot of anti-religious actions that have been religiously motivated. For example, as has been shown numerous times here that Stalin, Mao and Kim Il Sung were setting up state religions. This does not make the atheists. Just because a religion is not christian or moslem or hindu or any of the well known religions does not make it atheism.Atheism has no belief set. Setting yourself up to be worshiped is not the sign of an atheist.

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Buz you are the one claiming there are some core Atheist values. The atheists are saying there are not. You are making the claim. Back it up or shut up. Do you even know what values are?How is this for a good working definition.the ideals, customs, institutions, etc., of a society toward which the people of the group have an affective regard. These values may be positive, as cleanliness, freedom, or education, or negative, as cruelty, crime, or blasphemy.How is what you stated a value?I didn't realize us atheists had customs and institutions. Could you fill me on what those are?

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Do you want to know my values. I am an atheist, probably as hard core as they come. Let me tell you about me and you can tell me all about my terrible atheist values.I have been married 5 years. Yes it is my second marriage. I have been faithful to both of my wives. The idea of cheating never has been a serious thought.I have a 27 year old adopted son, that my ex and I adopted when he as 12. He lived in a childrens home that my worked at. He is mentally impaired and currently lives in a group home. This is not meant religiously but he is a huge part of my heart and soul.My wife and I are currently doing respite foster care.I am not employed(wife has great job), but I volunteer 4 days a week at the local public school.We give generously to needy causes; Red Cross, local organizations and Lambano Sanctuary in South Africa.So don't sneer at me about your idea about atheist values. You are a self-righteous ass. You know nothing about me and my values or any other atheist. So why don't you just shut the fuck up, before you imply anyone here is immoral or evil.

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You brought up atheist values, but you have yet to give us one atheist value.I brought up my values to show that atheist values are no different than most anyone else's values.Please show us they horrendous atheist values.

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How is this a value?

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I would venture to say that have not been any communist States. All there have been are totalitarian States in the guise of communism.

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Not at all a No True Scotsman fallacy.Here is a a definition of that fallacy.
No true Scotsman - WikipediaI would have to be a communist in order for this to be that fallacy and also I would have to be making an unfounded comment.My comment is based upon historical and political accuracy.
If there was any hint of communism in the USSR it was in the very early days.Here is a qucik definition of communism

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Communism is a social structure in which classes are abolished and property is commonly controlled, as well as a political philosophy and social movement that advocates and aims to create such a society.

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The revolutionary socialists now broke completely with the moderate majority of the movement, withdrew from the Second International , and formed (1919) the Third International, or Comintern , in 1919. Henceforth, the term Communism was applied to the ideology of the parties founded under the aegis of the Comintern. Their program called for the uniting of all the workers of the world for the coming world revolution, which would be followed by the establishment of a dictatorship of the proletariat and state socialism. Ultimately there would develop a harmonious classless society, and the state would wither away.

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SourceAll supposed communist states have gotten stuck in the dictatorship part. They never even transitioned to the dictatorship of the proletariat, which is an integral part of Marxist theory.
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Marx's dictatorship of proletariat is revolutionary government with majority (proletarian) support which wield absolute power to replace the incumbent capitalist economic system and its socio-political supports, i.e. the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie"

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The communist states just modified the classes. The party became the penultimate class. Support for m the proletariat was not needed and the proletariat was harshly suppressed. Communist states then became more akin to a Theocracy than any other. This is shown by the cult of personality for Stalin, Mao, Castro, and whoever the latest nut job is in North Korea. This was continued by the party leaders in both USSR and China.

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But like many threads you participate in, unless you tell us we won't have a clue what you mean.How about a little elaboration or references so that we know what you mean. Debating with you is like trying to nail down gelatin.

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