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Author Topic:   Evolution has been Disproven
mark24
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Message 6 of 301 (54905)
09-11-2003 8:54 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by defenderofthefaith
09-11-2003 6:53 AM


defenderofthefaith,

1. Evolution requires that life comes from non-life. The first living cell is supposed to have come from non-living organic material in the oceans.

How does that disprove evolution even if abiogenesis did = evolution?

4. Since evolution requires life from non-life (spontaneous generation or abiogenesis), and Louis Pasteur disproved this, evolution has been rendered impossible on account of life not being able to generate from non-life.

You are equivocating, unintentionally, on the phrase "spontaneous generation". In Pasteur's day it meant the formation of complex living things like bacteria, even rats, frogs etc. out of nowhere. Abiogenesis is different, it postulates the formation of a self replicaing molecule from non self replicating matter. Pasteur disproved spontaneous generation, not abiogenesis.

If you are going to try to link abiogenesis & spontaneous generation, you are equivocating, a logical flaw.

"Equivocation is the type of ambiguity which occurs when a single word or phrase is ambiguous, and this ambiguity is not grammatical but lexical. So, when a phrase equivocates, it is not due to grammar, but to the phrase as a whole having two distinct meanings."

Mark

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"I can't prove creationism, but they can't prove evolution. It is [also] a religion, so it should not be taught....Christians took over the school board and voted in creationism. That can be done in any school district anywhere, and it ought to be done." Says Kent "consistent" Hovind in "Unmasking the False Religion of Evolution Chapter 6."

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mark24
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Message 13 of 301 (55348)
09-14-2003 6:16 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by defenderofthefaith
09-14-2003 6:01 AM


defenderofthefaith,

I merely would like to ascertain how, if living matter comes only from living matter (biogenesis), that abiogenesis can contravene this?

Pasteur proved that complex living things likw bacteria didn't just spring into existence as was originally thought. He definately did NOT prove that a self replicating molecule ultimately could not have evolved into a cellular unit.

You are moving the goalposts. Your assertion that living matter only comes from living matter is not an agreed, nor demonstrated premise. Claiming that it is is a fallacy of composition/division.

Mark

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mark24
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Message 20 of 301 (55423)
09-14-2003 6:09 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by defenderofthefaith
09-14-2003 7:48 AM


defenderofthefaith,

Pasteur's and subsequent experiments show life arising only from life. This happens everywhere in the world.

Like I said in my last post & you ignored, this is logically fallacious. An equivalent argument would be, every action we see in the universe occurs naturally (in the materialist sense), therefore God can't exist because He is supernatural.

Mark

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"I can't prove creationism, but they can't prove evolution. It is [also] a religion, so it should not be taught....Christians took over the school board and voted in creationism. That can be done in any school district anywhere, and it ought to be done." Says Kent "consistent" Hovind in "Unmasking the False Religion of Evolution Chapter 6."


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mark24
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Message 36 of 301 (56461)
09-19-2003 9:50 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by defenderofthefaith
09-19-2003 9:34 AM


defenderofthefaith,

Is it your position that information gain is impossible via mutation?

Mark


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mark24
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Message 262 of 301 (255762)
10-31-2005 7:37 AM
Reply to: Message 258 by Regless
10-27-2005 6:31 PM


Re: W e l c o m e !
Regless,

A good example is, the last time I tried to defend IC, after about three posts I realized I was arguing with a geneticist... That wasn't a debate, that was an execution. And of course, I look like a glaring idiot.

So what did you learn about IC as an argument for design?

Mark


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