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Straggler
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Message 76 of 124 (549191)
03-04-2010 6:14 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by onifre
03-04-2010 6:03 PM


Re: What Do We Mean By Nation X Did Y...?
You would think that people would know what it means, but as you can see in this thread both hooah and Hyro suspect Drone of being anti-America, when that is NOT even close to the truth.
But because he throws the word "America" around the way he did, people get personally insulted.
On a purely anecdotal note I have found Americans much more prone to this sort of thinking than any other nationality. Say the same sort of thing to most Europeans and they kinda shrug and go "Yeah my fucking government sucks shit. I know". Say this sort of thing to a Yank and they are much more likely to take it as a personal insult or an indication of more general anti-Americanism of some sort.
This may be because of America's status in the world and thus the prevalence of genuine anti-Americanism of sorts breeding a degree of justifiable paranoia. It may be because you guys are generally more patriotic in ways that seem slightly alien to modern rather cynical Europeans. Or it may be that I am talking out of my wholly subjective arse.
I don't know.

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hooah212002
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Message 77 of 124 (549205)
03-04-2010 8:22 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by onifre
03-04-2010 2:39 PM


Re: Yeah, truly sad
So what "ways" exactly are specific to the "US" as a whole, that Dronesters opposes, but that you support?
That's just it: I really don't disagree with most of what he says. I do, however, disagree with his attempts to bring this shit up at every turn in every subject, on every thread he posts in. His hate for the U.S. government clouds any rational discussion about anything other than, well, hate for the U.S. government. This thread is about people praying for Obama to die, yet, as soon as Dronester started posting here, it turned into being about how big of a fuckwad Bush Jr. is.
I have a bit more, say, hope for the world as it is. I don't see it as this down and dreary place. Sure, the pieces are in place. Sure, there is alot that is wrong with the world today. I admit, alot of it is our doing. However, I can still see the light at the end of the tunnel. I haven't lost all hope. My life is fucked and fucked because of the gov't. I still wake up every day and it's a new day.
Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.

"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan
"On a personal note I think he's the greatest wrestler ever. He's better than Lou Thesz, Gorgeous George -- you name it."-The Hulkster on Nature Boy Ric Flair

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hooah212002
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Message 78 of 124 (549206)
03-04-2010 8:28 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by dronestar
03-04-2010 4:27 PM


Re: Yeah, truly sad
quote:
I would like to note however: as a SUPPOSED Bush Jr. OPPONENT, hooah212002 never did condemn Apothecus' statement:
Apothecus writes:
And I'll be honest: he [Bush Jr.] wasn't that bad of a guy

  —Dronester
Why should I? That, to me, was in regards to George Bush: the man, not Bushie: The idiot prez.

"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan
"On a personal note I think he's the greatest wrestler ever. He's better than Lou Thesz, Gorgeous George -- you name it."-The Hulkster on Nature Boy Ric Flair

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dronestar
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Message 79 of 124 (549247)
03-05-2010 9:15 AM
Reply to: Message 78 by hooah212002
03-04-2010 8:28 PM


Re: Yeah, truly sad
Bush Jr., the man, is an alcoholic, a cocaine addict, AWOL soldier, repeated failed businessman, and has an IQ that is measured as mildly mentally retarded.
Bush Jr. writes:
"There's an old saying in Tennessee I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee that says, fool me once, shame on shame on you. Fool me you can't get fooled again."
"I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family."
"Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?"
I can sure see why you in particular would want to hang out with this guy.
Mindless Middle.

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dronestar
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Message 80 of 124 (549249)
03-05-2010 9:33 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by onifre
03-04-2010 2:54 PM


Re: Yeah, truly sad
Hey Oni,
I read and then re-read yours and Stragglers posts. I think I get what you are warning. But unless I pre-qualify the word "America" or even "American" everytime, I am unsure if there is a better remedy.
I agree with both you and Straggler that context USUALLY helps. But I would be grateful if you or Straggler can make a better specific suggestion.
Part of the "fun" in participating in these forums is it strengthens your critical thinking/writing skills. Hopefully, with assistance, I can do better next time.
d

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dronestar
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Message 81 of 124 (549252)
03-05-2010 10:06 AM
Reply to: Message 74 by Apothecus
03-04-2010 5:52 PM


Re: Yeah, truly sad
Hi Apothecus,
I didn't realize you sent a PM. How do I receive those?
Thanks for the clarification. Your light-hearted manner in your messages prevented me from reading your posts correctly. I apologize for that.
However, since we ARE talking about war criminals (thus, Godwin rules are then cancelled), if I wrote:
"And I'll be honest: he [Adolph Hitler] wasn't that bad of a guy"
It's not a "middle of the road" expression, do you agree? Do you think some one might respond angrily? Might they even respond if it wasn't part of the OP's thread?
Bush Jr., the war criminal, has done so much evil in this world, that CONTINUES to this day, I just couldn't let your words slide.
I am keen on quotes. I'll leave you with this one:
‘All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing’
I prefer not to come across as a 'judgemental arse', but if we want the world to be a better place, we all need to make a stand somewhere, sometime.
Have a good day. Sincerely.

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dronestar
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Message 82 of 124 (549257)
03-05-2010 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by Hyroglyphx
02-26-2010 5:42 PM


Re: Soapbox
Hyroglyphx writes:
I think you have lost some objectivity on the subject because of your virulent hatred for Bush & Co.
The reality of the situation is that truth concerning the matter usually lies somewhere in between your position and a diehard Bush fanatic.
Mindless Middle.

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Message 83 of 124 (549267)
03-05-2010 12:43 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by dronestar
03-05-2010 10:06 AM


Re: Yeah, truly sad
However, since we ARE talking about war criminals (thus, Godwin rules are then cancelled), if I wrote:
"And I'll be honest: he [Adolph Hitler] wasn't that bad of a guy"
Here is the difference. Adolph, from all appearances, seemed to be pissed off quite a bit. A very angry, little man. I don't even understand German and his speeches still scared the bejesus out of me (which is pretty hard to do to an atheist). He never had the aura of a bumbling fool like GWB did (and still does).
So no, I could never see myself having a good time knocking back a few liters of dopplebock with Adolph.

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Apothecus
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Message 84 of 124 (549268)
03-05-2010 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by dronestar
03-05-2010 10:06 AM


Re: Yeah, truly sad
Thanks for the reply, dronester.
I didn't realize you sent a PM. How do I receive those?
Top of the page, click on "Messaging". I've used it a couple of times and it's pretty slick. The problem is that, unless you always look at your email alerts (if you have that preference turned on), the only way you know if you have a PM is when a (#) appears to the right of "Messages". Kind of obscure, but I guess it is what it is...
"And I'll be honest: he [Adolph Hitler] wasn't that bad of a guy"
It's not a "middle of the road" expression, do you agree? Do you think some one might respond angrily? Might they even respond if it wasn't part of the OP's thread?
Well, of course that's not middle of the road, but then we're back to context, yes? I know you don't really equate W with Hitler, right? To most (notice I said most) folks, drawing this comparison would be a bit of a stretch - maybe not quite apples and oranges, but just about. Rest assured, though, your point was not lost on me. It's just that, in 2000, I didn't personally vote for Hitler.
I prefer not to come across as a 'judgemental arse', but if we want the world to be a better place, we all need to make a stand somewhere, sometime.
If nothing else, I gotta respect your passion in calling 'em as you see 'em. Keep it up, dude.

"My own suspicion is that the Universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose. J.B.S Haldane 1892-1964

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Straggler
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Message 85 of 124 (549270)
03-05-2010 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by dronestar
03-05-2010 9:33 AM


Re: Yeah, truly sad
Personally I don't have a problem with the way that you said what you said. I think I knew what you meant contextualy despite the phrase "America did X" being open to question taken on it's own if over analysed.
Oni's point I think (and it is a fair one) is that there are those who did not take this in the way that I took it and who have labelled you as "anti-American" as a result.
What is the answer? Be completely specific in everything we say? But then you end up with posts as specifically worded and overly long as mine usually are and still everybody interprets what you say with their own subjective twist.
All you can really do is keep putting people right when they take what you say the wrong way. Sorry I don't have a better or less frustrating answer.

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onifre
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Message 86 of 124 (549273)
03-05-2010 1:19 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by Apothecus
03-05-2010 12:47 PM


Re: Yeah, truly sad
I know you don't really equate W with Hitler, right?
Absolutely not...Hitler gave great speeches.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 87 of 124 (549274)
03-05-2010 1:27 PM
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03-05-2010 12:43 PM


Re: Yeah, truly sad
He never had the aura of a bumbling fool like GWB did (and still does).
I always imagined him being something pretty close to this:
- Oni

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Apothecus
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Message 88 of 124 (549276)
03-05-2010 1:50 PM
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03-05-2010 1:19 PM


Re: Yeah, truly sad
Absolutely not...Hitler gave great speeches.
From a purely entertainment standpoint though, they're pretty much on par with each other.
Abe: I guess the above could also be said if speaking from a purely horrification standpoint. Depends on one's perspective, no?
Edited by Apothecus, : abe

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Message 89 of 124 (549279)
03-05-2010 2:20 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by dronestar
03-05-2010 9:33 AM


Re: Yeah, truly sad
Hey Dronester,
I just meant that in this particular thread some of the folks here have taken you for being anti-American, or that you hate the US Government. When I get that you don't, at all, you just take issue with the way some of the business is conducted - as well you should take issue with it, as it's the job of every American to keep a close watch on it's representatives and call them out when they mess up.
Some of the mindless middle folk would rather not have an opinon at all, and see your critical analysis of US policy as not worth the effort. Nor do they hold such contempt for the way business is conducted, so here again they don't have an opinion.
What I find amusing is that while agreeing with you, they also call you anti-American - that's weird...?
I think you use the word fine to describe what you mean, but I was just pointing out that being more specific in these threads may help others (of the mindless middle persuasion) understand you better and not lead to such a misunderstanding, or labelling you something that you are not.
- Oni

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dronestar
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Message 90 of 124 (549290)
03-05-2010 3:43 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by onifre
03-05-2010 2:20 PM


Re: Yeah, truly sad
Hey Hey Oni (and Straggler),
Thanks for the replies.
At work, I just wrote a short instructional summary for operating video equipment. It is an extremely difficult task to write directions that need to be very brief and very specific. Then watching SOME people fail to follow the explicit directions shows just how nearly impossible the task seems to be. Writing is a challenge. At least for me. So I happily accept constructive criticisms. Thanks!
Now, just as some people couldn't follow written directions no matter how well written, some, like perhaps Buzz, will see me as a traitor to my country no matter how careful or how much I pre-qualify my terms.
And then others . . .
Some of the mindless middle folk would rather not have an opinon at all, and see your critical analysis of US policy as not worth the effort. Nor do they hold such contempt for the way business is conducted, so here again they don't have an opinion.
If they were consistently quiet, I would understand it more. But in this case people, like hooah212002 and Hyro, don't SHOW anywheres near the emotion/venom towards war criminals (who murder millions of women and children like Bush Jr has), as hooah212002 and Hyro does toward me. ("if I don't like war criminals murdering millions of women and children, then why don't I move". WTF? How mentally-slow, ass-backwards is that?)
What I find amusing is that while agreeing with you, they also call you anti-American - that's weird...?
Mentally-slow, ass-backwards.
There is a quote from an early 1900s US president (Roosevelt? I tried to find but failed) that goes sorta like:
president??? writes:
Every citizen should criticise the US government/president, indeed, it is their patriotic duty.
I wish my fellow Americans practiced this. Perhaps then, I would not need to be so "anti-American".
Edited by dronester, : revised Apothecus to President mistake???
Edited by dronester, : No reason given.
Edited by dronester, : No reason given.

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