In Jude Vs 14 we see the expression 'holy myriads' .... Look! Jehovah came with his holy myriads"
the holy myriads here are Angels....why are they called 'holy' if they are sinners? And why did some of these sinful angels get punished and expelled from Heaven, but not the myriads who still reside in heaven?
Ah, you are making the same mistake the rich young ruler did when he assumed that holiness proceeds from ones own actions and not from God
Again and with all due respect intended you are showingyour lack of biblical understanding, notice I did not say knowledge. You are assuming that the angels GOODNESS ITSELF is what is holding them in a position of holiness before God. It is Gods holiness and forgiveness, and Mercy that keeps them in position, not the angels actions themsef. Satan simply went to far
If all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, it can be demonstrated that angles have freewill, that certain angels rebelled against God, in a crime that would require time deception and planning, not something that would happen over night, that ONLY GOD is good, he is the standard, then it is not unscriptural or illogical to assume angels have a plan of forgiveness. Iam certain that plan is Jesus Christ. Now watch Peg.
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
New Living Translation (2007)
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
English Standard Version (2001)
so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
New American Standard Bible (1995)
so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
International Standard Version (2008)
And so, when Jesus' name is called, the knees of everyone should fall wherever they're residing.
GOD'S WORD Translation (1995)
so that at the name of Jesus everyone in heaven, on earth, and in the world below will kneel
King James Bible
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
American King James Version
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
American Standard Version
that in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven and things on earth and things under the earth,
Bible in Basic English
So that at the name of Jesus every knee may be bent, of those in heaven and those on earth and those in the underworld,
Douay-Rheims Bible
That in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those that are in heaven, on earth, and under the earth:
Darby Bible Translation
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of heavenly and earthly and infernal beings,
English Revised Version
that in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven and things on earth and things under the earth,
Webster's Bible Translation
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things on earth, and things under the earth;
Weymouth New Testament
in order that in the Name of JESUS every knee should bow, of beings in Heaven, of those on the earth, and of those in the underworld,
World English Bible
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, those on earth, and those under the earth,
Young's Literal Translation
that in the name of Jesus every knee may bow -- of heavenlies, and earthlies, and what are under the earth --
Geneva Study Bible
That at the name of Jesus {k} every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
(k) All creatures will at length be subject to Christ.
People's New Testament
2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow. That name, by the exaltation, has become the name of the King of kings. It is supreme. Hence, every knee in all the universe bows to its majesty.
Under the earth. In the underworld, hades, the abode of the dead.
Wesley's Notes
2:10 That every knee - That divine honour might be paid in every possible manner by every creature. Might bow - Either with love or trembling. Of those in heaven, earth, under the earth - That is, through the whole universe.
Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
10. at the name-rather as Greek, "in the name."
bow-rather, "bend," in token of worship. Referring to Isa 45:23; quoted also in Ro 14:11. To worship "in the name of Jesus," is to worship Jesus Himself (compare Php 2:11; Pr 18:10), or God in Christ (Joh 16:23; Eph 3:14). Compare "Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord (that is, whosoever shall call on the Lord in His revealed character) shall be saved" (Ro 10:13; 1Co 1:2); "all that call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord" (compare 2Ti 2:22); "call on the Lord"; Ac 7:59, "calling upon . and saying, Lord Jesus" (Ac 9:14, 21; 22:16).
of things in heaven-angels. They worship Him not only as God, but as the ascended God-man, "Jesus" (Eph 1:21; Heb 1:6; 1Pe 3:22).
in earth-men; among whom He tabernacled for a time.
under the earth-the dead; among whom He was numbered once (Ro 14:9, 11; Eph 4:9, 10; Re 5:13). The demons and the lost may be included indirectly, as even they give homage, though one of fear, not love, to Jesus (Mr 3:11; Lu 8:31; Jas 2:19, see on [2385]Php 2:11).
Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary
2:5-11 The example of our Lord Jesus Christ is set before us. We must resemble him in his life, if we would have the benefit of his death. Notice the two natures of Christ; his Divine nature, and human nature. Who being in the form of God, partaking the Divine nature, as the eternal and only-begotten Son of God, Joh 1:1, had not thought it a robbery to be equal with God, and to receive Divine worship from men. His human nature; herein he became like us in all things except sin. Thus low, of his own will, he stooped from the glory he had with the Father before the world was. Christ's two states, of humiliation and exaltation, are noticed. Christ not only took upon him the likeness and fashion, or form of a man, but of one in a low state; not appearing in splendour. His whole life was a life of poverty and suffering. But the lowest step was his dying the death of the cross, the death of a malefactor and a slave; exposed to public hatred and scorn. The exaltation was of Christ's human nature, in union with the Divine. At the name of Jesus, not the mere sound of the word, but the authority of Jesus, all should pay solemn homage. It is to the glory of God the Father, to confess that Jesus Christ is Lord; for it is his will, that all men should honour the Son as they honour the Father, Joh 5:23. Here we see such motives to self-denying love as nothing else can supply. Do we thus love and obey the Son of God?
Isaiah 45:23 "I have sworn by Myself, The word has gone forth from My mouth in righteousness And will not turn back, That to Me every knee will bow, every tongue will swear allegiance.
"that at the name of Jesus ever knee will boe in heaven and earth"
"all authority has been given him in HEAVEN AND EARTH" His redemptive act is comprhensive in nature, time, place and character
It should be obvious from these facts that those angels that serve God have not committed crimes like that of Satan, that Satan refused to repent, that even right now, he could repent, but refuses to do so because his hatred is so strong For the God Jesus Christ
In the context of the scripture, the man was using Good as a title for Jesus. It was used as a title... Jesus felt that all titles belong to God because God is the one with whom the quality of goodness originates. So Jesus did not want to take any glory that only God should recieve.
How could good ever mean sinless? Good is something we do, we practice it, we apply it. Its an action. If we do something right, we have done good. So there is no way that good means sinless.
No Peg NOW TRY AND UNDERSTAND THIS, Good is something God does. Do you remember the passage that says that after we have DONE ALL THAT WE CAN DO WE ARE STILL LIKE DIRTY RAGS BEFORE THE LORD.
It is God that makes our actions good. When the bible implies that certain people are good, it must be compared to God himself, in which we end up being still DIRTY RAGS, UNTIL HE WASHES OUR ROBES.
Dont simply gain knowledge of scripture Peg UNDERSTAND IT
How could good ever mean sinless? Good is something we do, we practice it, we apply it. Its an action. If we do something right, we have done good. So there is no way that good means sinless.
As you can see Peg Good can ONLY mean sinless and this is what Christ meant by his statement, ONLY GOD IS GOOD. There really no good (to inherit eternal life and that was the question asked)we can do.
Try and remember the context of the question put to Christ, "What must I do to inherit eternal life" This is how Christ was responding to the question. it wasnt a question about DAILY ACTIONS
Well this is just circular reasoning. The sense in which Jesus was speaking of 'good' was in the sense that he was given the 'title' of good by the young ruler. You seem to think that he accepted that title when in fact he rebuked the man for suggesting it and reminded the young man that goodness is Gods quality...IOW Jesus was saying 'God is the source of the standard so you should only be calling God by that title'
no Peg, it is Good in the context of the question asked by the querest. Only God is GOOD enough to grant eternal life, a man cannot earn it. This is what Christ was trying to get the man to understand. You cant do it own your own
the man wanted to use his own standard of the list he gave to justify inheriting eternal life.
Yes Christ WAS accepting the title because only God is good, only God is sinless, Christ was sinless. We are made perfect in Christ (God). he is both the JUST AND JUTIFIER FOR THOSE THAT BELIEVE IN HIM
The term GOOD used to designated mans simple day to day should be used to desrcibe other actions between humans. The question asked was, "What must I do to inherit eternal life" Christ is trying to get the amn to see that only God can GRANT GOODNESS OR SANTIFICATION, BECAUSE ONLY HE IS GOOD.
there is a distinction and i've said it over and over. Please get this point:
the young ruler used it as a title for Jesus.
the young ruler used it as a title for Jesus
the young ruler...
Its being called good as a title that Jesus objected to. He didnt object to being called 'a good teacher' because he was a good teacher...in fact he was called good several times without any objection. So you have to ask why he objected on this occasion to being called good.
the only explaination is that this man used 'good' as a title which is also how the people would address their religious teachers. They would address them with titles and we know that Jesus objected strongly to these religious teachers being given titles.
In this explanation you have avoided the context and the question put to jesus. christs response applies to the question asked, not whether he did not like the title or not
He did not objected to being called good because he knew the querest did not understand the nature of his question and that the person was trying to use his own standard of GOOD his own actions as justification to inherit eternal life.
He is trying to get the man to see, as does the rest of the NT, that it is God that saves not us, not our actions. Jesus was not saying that he was not God.
Now watch this, if he, Christ is sinnless, he is the author and finisher of our faith, he IS COMPLETLEY GOOD and only God can save us, then it follows that Christ is that God.
because as i've shown you, numerous peole in the bible are called 'good'
And as I have showed you to which you have paid no attention, except to say others are called good, that jesus in this instance is using the word Good in a different sense when applaied to God, if his is not it makes no sense to make that statement,
If your reply is that God is the standard of Good and it is different than mans goodness, please explain what that STANDARD IS, how is it different.
Again if God is only good and Christ is not, please give me an example of how Christ was not good. Was there any respect in which Christ was not good . If Christ is COPMPLETLEY good would not this make him God. i dont see how you can avoid that conclusion
Please if you would like to, try and find a flaw in Gods system and my logic
Ill get to the rest of your two posts later, busy right now
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