Did God say it, or did you say it?

without any proof???how long does it take for a diamond to formhow about coal?How long does a landmass, covered in hot magna from an erupted volcano, take to re-vegetate?How long does it take for the light from the sun to reach the earth?could all this have really happened in 24hours? I think the evidence is fairly clear on that and therefore how could the Yom of Genesis be a 24 hour day??? It couldnt. So the logical interpretation of the account is that the Yom in this instance was a very long time, ages, eons, milleniums or simply... a very long Yom. Edited by Peg, : No reason given.

Yes he can, but we are not talking about him manipulating physical laws, we are talking about him setting creation into motion.

For the same reason that when he impregnated Mary, he didnt make her istantly pregnant with a 9 month old fetus in her womb....which he could have done if he so desired, but he didnt, he chose to do it another way.Its not for us to demand a reason why he does things a certain way, we should just be grateful that he does. Edited by Peg, : No reason given.

the reason why i'm saying its not possible is becuase the proof that it was not done that way is all around us. The earth itself is the proof.You know, when archeologists dig up artifacts from a site, they often say 'here is the proof that these people did this or that' .... the proof that the 'days' of genesis are much longer then 24 hours becaues the earth shows it to be.Now you are right, I certainly do believe in the miracle of the bible, the manna, the red sea, the ark... and i believe these things because I believe that God has the power to manipulate physical laws...the laws that he created..when he wants to. But in the case of the genesis day, we have plenty of evidence that they were very long periods of time. The creation of physical things is not a miracle. It is a 'creation' It is the bringing together of physical matter whereas the miracles of the bible are the manipulation of that physical matter so that the laws that they are bound by are changed.God can do both. He can create physical things and he can manipulate them. Well i would have hoped that reason and logic would let the evidence decide...the evidence is an old earth. Therefore the Yom in this case must stand for a very long time.

Yes it does. Doctors perform their own virgin births every day. IVF...im sure you've heard of it. If we can impregnate a woman using a means other then sex, then so can God. the difference is that there was a 'need' to create adam instantly....tell me why an eternal God would need to create anything instantly...he has all the time in the world to do what he wants.Why would he spend eons of time doing absolutely nothing, then suddenly in the blink of an eye make the physical creation appear?the truth is that he spent eons of his time in a creative process rather then sitting around doing absolutely nothing.

no, science has got nothing to do with the ancient hebrew language.Science doesnt even have anything to do with the improved understanding of ancient languages. And its not out of harmony with scripture because the same word, Yom, is used throughout the hebrew scriptures and it is used in a wide variety of ways to express different lengths of time.even in genesis it doesnt mean 24 hours.... it actually means 12 hours because only the light portion is called a Yom/day. 200+ years ago, the ancient hebrew language was much less understood then it is today. Modern archeology and the study of linguistics is what has shed light on the real meaning behind the language. There are still some aspects of ancient hebrew that are not fully understood and im sure in coming years they will understand even more. thats rubbish, excuse my directness here, but if you count the hours from sunset/evening to the following sunrise/morning its only 12 hours.If you want it to mean 24 hours, it should be reading as 'from evening to evening' dont you think?

Genesis 1:5 "and the Light he called day"please dont tell me that the 'light' here means 24 hours.You just said 'in EVERY instance'well here is an instance where the 'light' as opposed to the 'darkness' is called 'day'Obviously it is not in every instance, is it.Now i'm going to put the figures down for you to count.6pm beginning of evening
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6am MorningAdd them up and tell me how many hours there are in a day from evening to morning...and if you can come up with 24 from that, your a bloody genius!Edited by Peg, : No reason given.

ok, so show me a few scriptures where this is the case. so Jesus stated that a 'day' has 12 hours, but YOU say that he actually MEANT 24 hours. Right. we are still in Gods 7th day.Hebrews 4:9-11
There remains a sabbath resting for the people of God. For the man that has entered into God’s rest has also himself rested from his own works, just as God did from his own. Let us therefore do our utmost to enter into that rest.Even moses words show that the seventh day was still in progress when the wrote genesis
Genesis 2:3 God proceeded to bless the seventh day and make it sacred, BECAUSE ON IT HE HAS BEEN RESTING from all his work that God has created for the purpose of making.So if the 7th day is still going, then we know that the 7th day is so far 6,036 years in length. When will the 7th day end? Maybe after armageddon? Mabye after the 1,000 years of 'judgement day' has ended and Christ hands over the kingdom back to God?BTW, if you add up the numbers in my previous post, you should have counted 12 of them. Im sure my math is not that bad. Edited by Peg, : No reason given.

and where is the word Yom in this verse? Also, if the offering is being made in the morning and again in the evening, this is within a 12 hour period.with regard to trying to use any of the verses about morning and evening to prove that in genesis a day is only 24 hours is rediculous. Genesis is in a completely different context I have already done this many times. In msg 18 i listed 4 of them. well you completely missed that one, didnt you lol.If the 7th day was still going when Moses wrote genesis, the day was already over 1000 years long.If it was also still going when Paul told christians that they had the opportunity to 'enter into Gods Rest' then by the first century the day was now about 4,000 years in lengthand if that rest day has not yet come to its end, the day is now over 6,000 years in length.Here it is again: The 7th day has not yet ended. Do you understand that this shows that the genesis 'days' were of a very long duration??? Were Adam and Eve created at the same time? Was their creation simultaneous on the 6th day?No it wasnt. Adam lived for an unspecified length of time before God created Eve. Adam was placed in the garden alone initially, he was given the task of naming all of the animals that God had created. Could he have named the many thousands, perhaps millions of animals, in one day? I dont think so. So the conclusion is that the 6th Yom was a very long period of time, long enough for Adam to live alone i the garden and name all of the animals. He could not have done this in less then 24 hours.to AdminPD, this point is not off topic as its reasoning is linked to determining how long a day could be. Edited by Peg, : No reason given.Edited by AdminPD, : Off Topic

but that was the question wasnt it. How do we know that God meant a very long time with this instance of the word Yom?and a big part of being sure that you are on the right track is if your conclusion can be corroborated with many different parts of the bibleThe story of Adam and Eve is a part of the genesis account and therefore it is still in harmony with the current questions about what a YOM means. If we are not allowed to speak about these things, how else can one determine if the conclusions are coming from God or not?I believe that the bible does not contradict itself, so if we read that Adam lived for a length of time and had to name all of the animals, reason would tell us that it would have taken him more then a few hours to do this. It likely took him more then a few years to do this.If it all happened on the 6th day, then it reasonable to conclude that the Yom in this instance spanned a period of time and not merely 24 hours. Thats how we can be sure that a yom is more then 24 hours.

thats true, but only because a lot of verses are twisted to mean something they do not, they are often taken out of context, and many translators replace words that appear to fit with their theology over original word meanings. they also dont take the original word meanings into consideration.the only way to be sure that a doctrine is correct is if it scriptures
1. Do not contradict other scriptures
2. are in harmony with Gods expressed will and purpose
3. are not taken out of context
4. use the correct meaning of the original hebrew and greek words. ie What they meant when they were written, not what the meaning later changed to. 'his own version' does not compute.
God gave the message to the writers, they may have written in their own tongues, but it was God who was directing them to write. Sometimes they didnt understand it themselves which shows that it wasnt their own imaginations at work. the scriptures reveal Gods intention, as soon as they deviate from the scriptures, they loose Gods intention.As i said, a teaching must have the above 4 aspects if it is to be taken as truth.

under the same inspiration, paul wrote
"All scripture is inspired of God" 2 Timothy 3:16in the words of the prophets over and over we read
"And the word of Jehovah came to me" and besides that we see a multitude of passages where God is the one speaking. far from it.Daniel 12:4-9 4And as for you, O Daniel, make secret the words and seal up the book, until the time of [the] end. Many will rove about, and the [true] knowledge will become abundant.
8Now as for me, I heard, but I could not understand; so that I said: O my lord, what will be the final part of these things?
9And he went on to say: Go, Daniel, because the words are made secret and sealed up until the time of [the] end.Did Daniel understand the prophecy he had written. No, he clearly stated as much. i would challenge you to present a doctrine which you believe to fit all 4 aspects so we can test it. personally i believe that if one of 4 fails, then so does the doctrine.

'We' dont.God has shed light on his will to a selected few just as he did in ancient times thru ones such as Noah, Moses, the kings & the Prophets.... and as he did 2,000 years ago thru Jesus and the early christians.'we' dont all simply understand the scriptures due to our own knowledge and reasoning abilities. Understanding comes thru the channel God chooses, always has and always will.

because from 6pm - 6am (evening to morning or morning to evening) the number of hours are only 12.For some reason you are still counting them as 24. How do you get 24???If the genesis account says 'and their came to be evening and morning a 1st/2nd/3rd day' then what happened to the other 12 hours of each of these days? They've gone missing becaues the text doesnt say there came to be 'evening and evening' which would be 24 hours...it says 'evening & morning' which is only 12 hours.IOW, the 'day' in genesis is not a literal 24 hours as you keep trying to assert. the Yom does not have to mean 24 hours though. Genesis itself shows this. you said that my question about eve being created on the same day as adam was moot, but in fact it is not.The story implies that Adam lived for a length of time before eve was created...yet she was also created on the 6th day. So how can this be? If he lived alone for long enough to name all the animals and begin to feel lonely, surely this was longer then a few hours. This must have been several years at least.but it was still on the 6th day. Obviously the story implies that the 6th day was much longer then 24hours. you have taken Jesus out of context here. The beginning of creation was the universe, the planets and stars ,also the only begotten son and the angels... not adam and eve. So you've simply misread this verse. Jesus is not saying that the very first thing God created was Adam and Eve...even the genesis account does not say this, so you are contradicting genesis which means you've got the wrong interpretation of Jesus words. Really he is just refering to the human creation here, nothing more.You could read it like this
"From the beginning of mankinds creation, he made them male and female" Edited by AdminPD, : Off Topic

i know that looks contradictory, but in the context of the discussion, its not really.The universe is not a living creature like Adam (and i'll include the animal creation here too)The universe could have been created slowly over time becaues its simply the bringing together to matter. But, unless you believe God used evolution, how could he have done so with living creatures considering living creatures require all their parts to be working for life to exist. This is why I said that he must have created Adam instantaneously, but the universe and the earth over long periods of time.btw, this is just my own opinion