Hey Hyro,
A most pleasant surprise. You rolled up your sleeves and gave a good solid OBJECTIVE, FOCUSED reply. I almost want to nominate your last post as POTM. And a cheer goes out to Rahvin. His patient and indefatigable posts about mindless middle were nearing sainthood. Wow.
Ok, so lets tally:
Article II, you agreed
Article IX, you agreed
Article XI, you agreed
Article XV, you agreed
Article XVI, you agreed
Article XVII, you agreed
Article XVIII, you agreed
Article XIX, you agreed
Article XXIV, you agreed
Article XXV, you agreed
Article XXVII, you agreed
Article XXX, you agreed
Article XXXV, You were unable to debate
Article XXVI, You were unable to debate
Article XXII, You were unable to debate, I would have to dig to find these for you.
Article XXI, You were unable to debate, But, it is quite AGAINST the law to overthrow governments.
Article XX, You were unable to debate, Children, under age the of 18 are held in open and secret prisons as war combatants
Article XIV, You were unable to debate, Valerie Plame Wilson, political vandetta
Article XIIII, You were unable to debate
Article XII, You were unable to debate, Look up Hydro Carbon Act
Article X, You were unable to debate, Look up Pat Tillman
Article VI, You were unable to debate
Article V, You were unable to debate
Article I, Article III, Article IV. certainly true; I get so tired of repeating this:
Bush's lies were so unbelievably transparent, it's impossible to believe anyone could have been mislead: Powell knowingly told pre-invasion lies at the the special UN session. He was then openly mocked after the session. OK, once again: Four main lies told BEFORE the invasion. LIE #1. Aluminum centrifuge tubes used for radium enrichment was thoroughly debunked by experts from different departments/agencies BEFORE the invasion; LIE #2. Saddam sought Uranium in Africa; Wilson discovered this forgery/lie BEFORE the invasion; LIE #3. Al-queda - Iraqi link. They were OPPOSED/enemies to each other's philosophy. Never ever a link! None of the 9/11 terrorists were Iraqi; LIE #4. C. Rice told the lie "we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud". Sigh. Nuclear weapon manufacture is a big, big, big operation. It isn't done inside a mobile closet. America has spy satelites that can nearly identify car license plates from space. Plus weapon inspectors conducted spontaneous inspections all over Iraq. There was NO possibility that Saddam was HIDING a nuclear weapon production facility. And there was no way Saddam was gonna acquire a nuclear weapon from the black market when the international community was watching. Lastly, read the mission statement for the now discredited Project for the New American Century. Bush's cabinet comprised most of these members. Since 1998 (BEFORE 9/11) they strongly pushed for an Iraqi invasion to secure Iraqi's energy resources and to exert America's lone superpower status. Look it up, their mission statement is an open fact. Indeed, most prior members like William Krystal are still proud of their involvement. Lastly, compare the edited 2002 National Intelligence report given to congress to read. It deliberately omits tentative wording and admitted speculation. The report WAS FALSIFIED.
Article VIII, certainly true; The UN NEVER passed a war/invasion resolution, which the USA furiously tried to get by intimidating and bribing other countries.
Article XXXI, certainly true; levy funds were greatly diminished despite repeated warnings.
Article XXXII, certainly true; Bush Jr. policy often overrode/fabricated/marginalized science reports
Article XXXIII, certainly true, there were numerous high level warnings. C. Rice openly lied at the investigation.
Article XXXIV, certainly true, Cheney and Bush Jr. did everything in their power to reduce/stall the investigation.
Apothecus writes And I'll be honest: he [Bush Jr.] wasn't that bad of a guy
I'll stand by the above facts and my assertion. Yes, Bush Jr. was a indeed a bad guy. A criminal who caused the deaths of a million civilians should hang.
Edited by dronester, : clarity
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