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Further nitpicking on this matter, the President can commit limited amounts of military forces in conflicts short of an all-out war declaration without first consulting congress as indicated in the War Powers Resolution of 1973. However, this is limited to conflicts shorter than 60 days w/ in additional 30 day withdrawel period. The President must also inform congress within 48 hours of allocating military forces.

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One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous. - Carl Sagan, The Fine Art of Baloney Detection"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

George Bush announced on TV the commencement of the invasion of Iraq on Thursday 20 March, 2003: This was after the fact of congress authorizing the President to commence an extended military engagement with Iraq in the Iraq Resolution passed on October 10, 2002.However, technically this resolution is not considered a 'formal' declaration of war, of which the last one was the US Declaration of War against Germany passed on December 11, 1941. Technically all the wars since than i.e. Korean, Vietnam, Gulf War, Iraq War, etc are considered limited military engagements (or conflicts) authorized by Congress (many times after inital deployment and engagement authorized by the President).Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given.Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given.

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One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous. - Carl Sagan, The Fine Art of Baloney Detection"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

As I stated above in Message 112. Congress approved the "Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq" Resolution of 2002 (Public Law 107 - 243) which authorized the use of military force against Iraq.Whether it is justifiable is up for interpretation but the POTUS did get congressional approval for the Iraqi War, whether you like it or not. Personally, and off the record, I do not agree with the justifications for the Iraqi War and thought it to be a piss poor strategic and tactical move after 9/11.However, you would have a very hard time using his announcement of the commencement of the Iraq War on TV in March 2003 after congressional approval as grounds for impeachment.Also, the POTUS does have the ability to quickly mobalize the military in limited military operations (less than 60 days occupation) as needed and back fill congress as authorized by the War Powers Resolution of 1973. However, yes, only Congress can authorize a full out war.Past POTUS have walked the fine line of either intentionally or unintentionally misinterepreting legislation by Congress which approved limited military operations but was short of true "Declerations of War"; to illegitimately utilize the US military to fight what by all common sense should really be considered WARS requiring "Declarations of War" i.e. Korean, Vietnam, Iraq etc. This is really a judicial grey area between the branches of US Government which has yet to be fully clarified.

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One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous. - Carl Sagan, The Fine Art of Baloney Detection"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

Then you would have to impeach all of Congress for going along with it without commencing impeachment hearings on the President.

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One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous. - Carl Sagan, The Fine Art of Baloney Detection"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World