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DevilsAdvocate
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Message 121 of 124 (549699)
03-09-2010 11:49 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by ZenMonkey
03-09-2010 2:01 PM


Re: Soapbox
Matters not. The Constitution clearly states that only Congress may declare war. The president can request it, but Congress must do the actual declaration. Just because every president since Roosevelt has failed to do this, that doesn't make it right for Jr to do it too.

Impeachable offense.

Then you would have to impeach all of Congress for going along with it without commencing impeachment hearings on the President.


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Message 122 of 124 (549706)
03-10-2010 12:34 AM
Reply to: Message 121 by DevilsAdvocate
03-09-2010 11:49 PM


Re: Soapbox
DevilsAdvocate writes:

Then you would have to impeach all of Congress for going along with it without commencing impeachment hearings on the President.

Fascinating concept. How far does culpability for the Bush regime's crimes go? How much blame should Congress share for going along with an obviously unconstitutional action? How far up or down the chain of command do you go?

If the guards at Abu Ghraib deserved to go to prison, what about their commanding officer, who only got demoted? Or how about their Commander in Chief, who authorized the abuse of prisoners? There's evidence that strongly suggests that Jr issued an Executive Order that sanctioned "extraordinary interrogation techniques." Though the crimes committed at Abu Ghraib went far beyond what the Order appears to have approved of, were there other orders we don't know about, whether official or not, that gave the nod to outright torture, murder, and extraordinary extradition to countries that are known to torture and kill prisoners? Even if there weren't, didn't the existance of official approval of abuse encourage the guards at the bottom of the chain of command to "let things get out of hand?"

Once again, who's got the most blood on his hands?

Edited by ZenMonkey, : Added a conjunction.


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Message 123 of 124 (549709)
03-10-2010 12:44 AM
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03-10-2010 12:34 AM


Re: Soapbox
Once again, who's got the most blood on his hands?

I would have to say (in regard to the torture, anyways) John Yoo, who typed up the torture memo, basically giving a green light to Bush, who, not being a bright fellow, would do whatever his lawyer said was OK. Since Yoo typed an official document saying it was A-OKAY to torture, Bush was going to say the same.


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03-10-2010 2:06 AM


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