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Buzsaw
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Message 80 of 245 (548870)
03-02-2010 8:04 AM
Reply to: Message 68 by Dr Adequate
03-02-2010 1:01 AM


Re: Constitutional Republic...
Dr Adeqate writes:
OF COURSE IT DOESN'T. It forbids the forbidding of it. That is one of the many reasons why it is not in fact forbidden.
Well then, Doc, if it's good enough for Congress and the swearing in of the president etc, it should be good enough for the classroom. They're all gub'ment facilities.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 82 of 245 (548872)
03-02-2010 8:24 AM
Reply to: Message 79 by Huntard
03-02-2010 3:57 AM


2000 not 2000th
Huntard writes:
That's not really "not too distant" is it? In fact that's 1,997,990 years ionto the future. Seems I've got nothing to worry about yet.
Huntard, ole bean, we're in the 2000 millennium which I alluded to, not the 2000th millenium. Savvy?
Huntard writes:
Also, my own prophecy: "Jesus will not return! Not only not in your lifetime, not in mine either (and I'm 27, so I've got some time to go yet.... I hope), nor in anyone's lifetime ever after!"
"...I hope...."? You really don't need to wait in order to figure it out, Huntard. All you need do is an indepth study of the end time prophecies of the Biblical record, take a good look at what's going on globally and go figure. It's simple as that. If you ever do that, send me a message and we can arrange for your payment drop off. I'll take it in some kind of a commodity, thank you. The world currencies are tanking so rapidly that they likely won't be worth much by the time you get around to your study, thanks to the mindless monetary policies of the nations.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 83 of 245 (548874)
03-02-2010 8:36 AM
Reply to: Message 73 by Coyote
03-02-2010 1:22 AM


Re: What Use To Be
Coyote writes:
But you are the best argument I've heard lately for fighting to keep a secular state. I really would not like to see young children exposed to your brand of belief. It would be healthier to let them run with sharp objects.
LOL, Coyote. The school kiddies, in America's past, were exposed to a whole lot more Bible for a long time than what they are today, embracing Biblical beliefs. Those were the days of America's incline. These are the days of America's decline.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 86 of 245 (548878)
03-02-2010 8:56 AM
Reply to: Message 66 by DC85
03-02-2010 12:54 AM


Re: A secular system...
DA85 writes:
Why? Why is it hard for you as a Christian to have the same rights as everyone else?
You're still not getting it, DC. Christians and creationists don't have the same rights as the secular humanists. Their ideology is exclusively taught in the classrooms.
DS85 writes:
Ok then all beliefs must be taught... I do hope you have a while because we need to teach all religious beliefs now. Not just yours
Again (again and again) in our republic the elected reps make the determination.
DC85 writes:
It doesn't matter what the majority wants in these issues these a guaranteed rights and in order to protect them the government must stay neutral. The Bill of rights exist to protect some minorities from the majority.
But the gub'ment's position in schools is not neutral. It is exclusively secular humanist as per the determinations of the republic majority of elected reps. The American republic is working nicely for you secular humanist sheeple and you're still whining, as per this thread, when a bone is thrown to someone elses ideology some place in the nation.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 93 of 245 (548897)
03-02-2010 10:29 AM
Reply to: Message 92 by Coyote
03-02-2010 9:59 AM


Re: What Use To Be
Coyote writes:
Are there, just possibly, any other factors that might be involved? Increasing population? Increasing diversity of population? Increasing education and wealth? Maturing of the social structure? Massively increased communication ability. Anything at all?
Populations have been on the increase all along, as well as diversity of population. The others, as well have been steadily on the increase. Not until the 1960s did the paranoia begin relative to leftist secular humanist demands for exclusive secularization of the schools and public arena. It was in the 1960's and early 70s that we went off gold and silver into exclusive paper, cheap clad coinage, numbers and marks, etc. It was in the 1960s when Jews marched into the old walled city of Jerusalem and out marched the gentiles as per Jesus's prediction that the end/decline of the gentile nations would happen. Lo and behold, here we are, well into the decline as secularism rises and Biblical principles decline in America's culture. I've lived through and observed it all happen/happening.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 102 of 245 (548912)
03-02-2010 12:43 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by Theodoric
03-02-2010 10:38 AM


Re: What Use To Be
Theodoric writes:
Please explain what you mean by this? There was a mass exodus of christians from jerusalem after the 1967 war?
I have been to the old city. There is a pretty vibrant christian population and presence there. Also, a strong islamic and jewish presence. I am not being pro or con Israle here. I just want to know what the hell you are talking about. Or at least what you think you are talking about.
I'll let Wiki explain that Jordan occupied it and it was called, Transjordan. FYI, Jordan is Gentile.
That there is a significant non-Jewish element in Jerusalem is no different than the fact that there are a significant number of emigrants, legal and otherwise in the US of A. Occupation perse depends on who rules and who dominates the region. Any Gentiles living in Jerusalem must abide by the laws of the governing Jews.
There are 10,000 US citizens living in Chile. That doesn't mean Chileans do not occupy their nation which they govern.
The West Bank and East Jerusalem were occupied by Jordan (formerly Transjordan) for a period of nearly two decades (1948—1967) starting from the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. In 1950, with British approval, and despite Arab League opposition, Jordan extended its jurisdiction over the West Bank. The inhabitants of the West Bank became citizens of Jordan.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 104 of 245 (548914)
03-02-2010 1:07 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by Theodoric
03-02-2010 12:12 PM


Re: Establishment Of Athiesm
Theodoric writes:
Anti-religious does not equate to atheism. As shown by Stalin and the French Revolution, as two examples. For both I will grant they were anti-established religion, but it is very difficult to equate that to atheism.
No matter how you dress it up, it equates to the abolishment of religion and the establishment of athiestic values. Stalin espoused Marxism and Lenninism, both of which sought to abolish religion.
The first requisite for the happiness of the people is the abolition of religion (Karl Marx)
I wish to avenge myself against the One who rules above. (Karl Marx)
The hellish vapors rise and fill the brain, till I go mad and my heart is utterly changed. See this sword? The prince of darkness sold it to me. (Karl Marx)
With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the fact of the world and see the collapse of this pygmy giant. Then will I wander god-like and victorious through the ruins of the world. And giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator. (Karl Marx)
Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism. (attributed to Vladimir I. Lenin)
Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism. (V.I. Lenin)
There are no morals in politics; there is only expedience. A scoundrel may be of use to us just because he is a scoundrel. (V.I. Lenin)
We do not fight against believers and not even clergymen. WE FIGHT AGAINST GOD to snatch believers from Him. (Vechernaia Moskva, a Soviet newspaper)
Let us drive out the Capitalists from the earth, and God from Heaven! (early Soviet slogan)
The official journal of the Soviet Academy of Pedagogical Sciences published a government directive Atheistic Education in the School as a resource on how to separate God from human society. The opening paragraph is revealing: The Soviet school, as an instrument for the Communist education of the rising generation, can, as a matter of principle, take up no other attitude towards religion than one of irreconcilable opposition; for Communist education has as its philosophical basis Marxism, and Marxism is irreconcilably hostile to religion. ‘Marxism is materialism,’ says V. I. Lenin; ‘as such, it is as relentlessly hostile to religion as the materialism of the Encyclopedaists of the eighteenth century or the materialism of Feuerbach.’ Another excerpt reads: ‘Religion’, Marx said, is nourished not on heaven but on earth, and with the annihilation of that perverted reality, of which capitalism is the theory, religion will perish of its own accord.’
The World has never before known a godlessness as organized, militarized and tenaciously malevolent as that preached by Marxism. Within the philosophical system of Marx and Lenin and at the heart of their psychology, HATRED OF GOD is the principle driving force, more fundamental than all their political and economic pretensions. Militant atheism is not merely incidental or marginal to Communist policy; it is not a side effect, but the central pivot. To achieve its diabolical ends, Communism needs to control a population devoid of religious and national feeling, and this entails a destruction of faith and nationhood. Communists proclaim both of these objectives openly, and just as openly put them into practice. (Alexander Solzhenitsyn)
Was Stalin an atheist? - FreeThoughtPedia

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 116 of 245 (548949)
03-02-2010 6:02 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by Rahvin
03-02-2010 1:24 PM


Re: Establishment Of Athiesm
Rahvin writes:
As an Atheist, I'd love to hear what these "atheistic values" are.
Can you name them? Perhaps even one?
You, the athiest are asking me? You are the one who ascribes to their alleged values. That is, athiesm must have values which entice you. I would suppose one of them would be that athiesm makes you think that you' re not answerable to a higher power and no matter what you do, good or bad, will have no eternal consequenses.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 121 of 245 (548963)
03-02-2010 7:43 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by Theodoric
03-02-2010 6:14 PM


Re: Establishment Of Athiesm
Subbie writes:
toward which the people of the group have an affective regard.
That's how I used it. The people in the group/athiests determine what those values are to them. In the context which I used it I needn't consider it to have any valuse respective to me. Thank God, I am not in the group.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 150 of 245 (549590)
03-08-2010 10:40 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by Theodoric
03-02-2010 7:43 PM


Re: Lets talk values
Theodoric writes:
Do you want to know my values. I am an atheist, probably as hard core as they come. Let me tell you about me and you can tell me all about my terrible atheist values.
I have been married 5 years. Yes it is my second marriage. I have been faithful to both of my wives. The idea of cheating never has been a serious thought.
I have a 27 year old adopted son, that my ex and I adopted when he as 12. He lived in a childrens home that my worked at. He is mentally impaired and currently lives in a group home. This is not meant religiously but he is a huge part of my heart and soul.
My wife and I are currently doing respite foster care.
I am not employed(wife has great job), but I volunteer 4 days a week at the local public school.
We give generously to needy causes; Red Cross, local organizations and Lambano Sanctuary in South Africa.
So don't sneer at me about your idea about atheist values. You are a self-righteous ass. You know nothing about me and my values or any other atheist. So why don't you just shut the fuck up, before you imply anyone here is immoral or evil.
Theodoric, these values which you have itemized are not athiest values perse. They are your personal values which we all have to a greater or lesser percent. Your response was a strawman rant about your virtues. You did not address the values of athiesm, i.e what unique values athiesm advocates.
For example, the Biblical principles and some Buddhist principles, some Boy Scout principles list their values in their literature, etc. My statement aluded to what values athiesm perse promotes as being unique to athiesm.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 151 of 245 (549595)
03-08-2010 11:04 PM
Reply to: Message 126 by Huntard
03-03-2010 1:45 AM


Re: Athiestic Values
Huntard writes:
Let me get this straight: Do you or do you not know what values athesits hold? Yes or no, please. This sentence says you think you do (other from not believing in god part, of course, which is not a value), yet when asked for them you say you don't. And if you don't know, then you can't know if it is so terrible to belong to the group or not. Also, could you explain the yes or no after you've stated it? In case of a yes, please tell us the values. In case of a no, then why did you give the impression that you knew what those values were, and that they were terrible values to have.
You have, in fact, implied one of athiesm's values, Huntard, which is that they don't believe in the Biblical god. Their values run counter to some of the major Biblical values. Implied in this is what I aluded to before; that athiests value the fact that they don't consider themselves accountable for sin, righteousness or judgement after death.
The reason I thank God that I am not an athiest has nothing to do with whether atheists are what I consider moral or immoral. I have a number of athiest friends and people I interact with who are, in fact better people than some professing Christians who I know. Imo, it is not necessarily athiestic values which made these good folks moral. It likely had a lot to do with their up-bringng and enironment, education, etc, none of which are athestic values perse.
I thank God that I am not an athiest, primarily because I believe I will be held accountable forever relative to sin, righteousness and judgement and the need to have a savior/advocate/redeemer so as to be able to stand before Jehovah and his christ/messiah Jesus who is Biblically depicted as lord/master of all humans.
I also regard the values of all Biblical princples to be of great benefit to society and cultures, the USA being so blessed over the past due to these values as compared to other nations of different cultures, especially what I consider as athiestic cultures such as the Communist block nations who have consistently been brutal and oppressive to their citizens as history attests.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 157 of 245 (549689)
03-09-2010 9:58 PM
Reply to: Message 155 by Hyroglyphx
03-09-2010 7:15 AM


Re: Athiestic Values
Hyroglyphx writes:
"Biblical principles" have throughout history have demonstrated to be easily manipulated in to aberrant forms of oppression. The Dark Ages were dark for a reason. Aside from rampant disease, the Church Age was one of the most repressive forms of society this world has ever known, all of which was accomplished in the name of Christ.
You have to take the good with the bad. Whatever good things have come about from Christianity, others have been tragic and we can't just sweep those under the carpet.
I could find good things about Soviet anti-religious regimes, but it doesn't overshadow what crimes were perpetrated under it. I feel the same applies.
Hyro, for seven long years I've detailed the difference between Christianity and popianity/vaticanity. What ever you want to label the RCC, it is not Biblical NT Christianity. It is the harlot woman/Mystery Babylon of Revelation 17 and 18, whom the text says is drunken with the blood of the true saints. It has a history of violence whereas NT (I say NT) Christianity has no history of violence, nor did Jesus and his apostles advocate such violence as has been practiced by this illigitimate system who's holy father is not the Biblical god, Jehovah, but their alleged infallible pope man sitting on his golden jewel studded throne in Vatican City..
Whenever I alude to Christianity, I am referring to the NT fundamentals of Christianity, i.e. Christian fundamentalism. It doesn't matter how many times I explain this, the same people on this board simply ignore what i have explained and post their strawmen responses falsly associating Christianity to violence.
The people that the popes and bishops of the RCC tortured and brutally killed in the inquisitions were the true Christians who refused to recant and be converted to Catholicism.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 158 of 245 (549696)
03-09-2010 11:26 PM
Reply to: Message 156 by ZenMonkey
03-09-2010 9:57 AM


Re: Athiestic Values
Zen Monkey writes:
What you're really saying here is that you're grateful to be a Christian because you're a Christian. Christianity is valuable to you because you're judging it by values that are strictly Christian. It's like a Muslim saying that he's glad the he's a Muslim because Allah is the one true god. Well, he wouldn't say that Allah is the one true god unless he were a Muslim in the first place, would he? Do you get it? It's like saying that the Miami Dolphins are a better team than the New York Yankees because they score a lot more touchdowns.*
By the way, you haven't actually told us what your Christian values are. Can you name any values you hold that an atheist could not, other than those that simply establish that you are, in fact, a Christian, but have no meaning outside of that? Can you name any moral value that you hold - such as showing forgiveness to others, respecting one's elders, not killing people whenever you feel like it - that an atheist could not?
Having a relationship with Christ isn't a value, it's simply a belief. It's a belief that can encourage the cultivation of certain values, but it's not a value in itself. I hope that you can see the distinction.
There's a lot more relative to Biblical values than blind faith, Zen. As follows is a consise list of Biblical values off the top of my head.
1) A logical explaination of past, present and future
2) Historical evidence,
3) Archeological evidence
4) Basic scientific LoTs compatibility
5) Knowledge of underdanding the past and the future relative to fulfilled prophecy
6) Social and cultural values observed in application of Biblical NT principles, the Ten Commandments, the wisdom Proverbs of King Solomon, etc.
7) Personal experiential spiritual renewal (the last known only by personal experience) which brings a measure of the fruit of the Holy Spirit, being "love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faith, meekness and self control. " (Gal 5:22, 23 ASV)
Zen Monkey writes:
For the record, Buz, I actually respect you quite a bit. I apologize for times when I've been disrespectful in my replies to you. It's difficult to reason with you, and I sometimes doubt your intellectual honesty, but I've never seen you speak to anyone out of malice here and I suspect that you're a decent human being in real life. It would be gratifying if you saw someday that the inner truth you feel of your connection to God shouldn't be threatened by the truth of the physical world around you that you sometimes so stubbornly deny. If your God is real and he's good, then you shouldn't have to think that this universe is other than what science reveals it to be. God wouldn't lie to you, would he?
I appreciate the kind words, Zen; I really do. May God bless you and yours for them. They don't come my way often here.
As to observing the physical world around me, I don't know how closely you've followed my profile history in the threads, but my faith is far from blind. It is the physical things I've observed which continually strengthen my faith in the Biblical record. The more science comes to observe, the more wonderfully complex it all becomes and the more sensible ID gets. There's no problem relative to the before, the outside of, the abiogenesis, where energy came from, climate change, the Israeli-Mid Eastern phenomenon and how it will end, where we came from and where we go.
In conclusion, there's so much corroborating evidence for what I have come to know as truth that I'm thoroughly convinced of it.
I've come to the conclusion that the more string, quantum and mathmatical science gets the more obscure, metaphysical, questionable and illogical it gets for the understanding.
Speaking of intellectual dishonesty, when National Geographic's Robert Ballard ventures into the Gulf of Aqaba to refute or substantiate the work of marine biologist, Lennart Moller who sailed his marine research craft into the Gulf and photographed the Exodus evidence at Nuweiba Beach, I'll stop accusing National Geographic of being intellectually dishonest.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Message 159 of 245 (549698)
03-09-2010 11:40 PM
Reply to: Message 153 by Huntard
03-09-2010 4:01 AM


Re: Athiestic Values
Huntard writes:
So far, you have only named one "value", which I don't think actually is a value. What are these others?
Huntard, the atheist members on this board are all intelligent folks. I would assume that being such, there must be some unique values relative to atheism which cause them to be atheist.
Human cultures throughout the history of mankind have had a religious bent. Atheists must have a reason to value their atheism. I've cited the only reason I can think of. Perhaps there are other unique values relative to their atheistic bent. I don't know.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Message 169 of 245 (549732)
03-10-2010 9:10 AM
Reply to: Message 161 by Dr Adequate
03-09-2010 11:56 PM


Re: Athiestic Values
Dr Adequate writes:
So were Luther and Calvin not Christians?
Whereas the people who were tortured and brutally killed by Protestants were just a bunch of Catholic heretics.
Nice try, Doc, but violence is not sanctioned by Jesus and his apostles, whereas Mohammed and his apostles and successors who wrote the Sunnahs and the Haddith all advocated violence as did the popes and bishops of the inquisitions. By and large protestant Christians have advocated and practiced non-violence as per the NT. All groups have their non-conformists.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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