WooHoo! More idiots running the gub'ment.

That's not really "not too distant" is it? In fact that's 1,997,990 years ionto the future. Seems I've got nothing to worry about yet.Also, my own prophecy: "Jesus will not return! Not only not in your lifetime, not in mine either (and I'm 27, so I've got some time to go yet.... I hope), nor in anyone's lifetime ever after!"Now, who wants to bet on which of us is right? Paymnets will be made at the end of time, when we have finally established I was right. Minimum wager is 10,000 Euros (stuff your Dollars, Yanks! ). Payments to be made to the "Huntard will live life comfortably" trust fund. Odds: 10,000 to 1 That I'm right (and I am, so don't miss this great investment!)

Which is of course why it isn't illegal to exercise religion (praying) in school either.Edited by Huntard, : changed a word, for more clarity

Aha! Language you see, not my native one! Smoke peacepipe on issue! I was referring to my general health, Buz. Barring any bad news in that area, I expect to live till I'm 80 (or maybe longer, who knows what the medical sciences are capable of then!), and when I finally die, my prophecy stands: "that I will not see Jesus's return."

It's probably bone by the same people who showed that global warming is due to the decline in pirates: Interestingly, since pirates are on the rise again (you know, Somalia and all), it seems there's now some controversy about global warming! Coincidence, or something more? (Hey, I'm just asking questions!)

Well, you haven't beaten a slave to an inch of his life recently (don't kill him though, it's important to god that he lives through the ordeal), that's pretty damning....

Like Rahvin, I'd be thrilled to know what my own values are from your mouth. Enlighten us, and save us from the horrors that are to come!

The reason we're asking you, Buz, is because we know that atheism lacks any values whatsoever. Since you seem to think that it does have values, we'd like to know what they are ,so we can correct you. Again... That's right. I however, do feel responsible to my fellow humans. You know, the ones that actually have to live with the consequences of my decisions? Something god certainly doesn't have to.

And they differ from person to person. Of course not, you're not in the group. Let me get this straight: Do you or do you not know what values athesits hold? Yes or no, please. This sentence says you think you do (other from not believing in god part, of course, which is not a value), yet when asked for them you say you don't. And if you don't know, then you can't know if it is so terrible to belong to the group or not. Also, could you explain the yes or no after you've stated it? In case of a yes, please tell us the values. In case of a no, then why did you give the impression that you knew what those values were, and that they were terrible values to have.

That's a value? Not believing a particualr claim? Like? Again, not believing in something is a value? {ABE}: Also, like I said before, I feel responsible towards my fellow humans. You know, the ones that actually have to live with the decisions I make? It's to them I am responsible. And this is reason enough for me to behave.{/ABE} So far, you have only named one "value", which I don't think actually is a value. What are these others? Like beating slaves to an inch of their lives? Indeed, they beat a lot of slaves, didn't they. As was the spanish inquisition, a decidedly non-atheist bunch. Also, I don't think anybody is dreading living in, say, Sweden, or even my country, who are certainly not christian. ----But, I notice you didn't answer my very simple question, so here it is again: Do you or do you not know what values atheists hold?A simple yes or no will do. And an explanation of the answer, please. If yes, please tell me what they are. If no, then why bring them up?Edited by Huntard, : Added {ABE} bit

The lack of evidence for a god, I'd say. But Dr. A. summed it up very nicely too: ---- So, you in fact don't know what values atheists hold, yet you seem convinced that these are bad values. I find such reasoning very strange.

That can be used as an excuse for anything Buz. All those "atheists" you accuse of slaughter in say, Soviet Russia? Non-conformists, all of them. (remember, you don't know what values atheists hold, so you can't say they are not).

And that's not a value. Also, you were the only one claiming to know which values atheists hold. On further inquiry you admitted that you didn't, in fact, have a clue. We're not the ones claiming to know what values atheists hold, you are. And you don't know, or so you've said. But those were non-conformists to the atheist's values, and since you, by your own admission, don't know what these are, you can't say they weren't. No, they were simply non-conformists.

The ones doing the slaughtering were the non-conformists to the atheistic values. You know, the ones you admitted you have absolutely no clue about what those are.

Really, not natural, Buz? So, when god created all this Homosexual behaviour in anaimals, he didn't actually do that because he wanted to show it's perfectly natural? He didn't create lesbain lizards, for example, who have sex with one another to stimulate ovulation and thus reproduce (by cloning themselves), to show homosexuality to be natural. He actuyally wanted to show us how bad it is, and that it goes completely against what he thinks nature should be? Is that what you are saying?