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Huntard Member (Idle past 2315 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined:
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Buzsaw writes:
That's not really "not too distant" is it? In fact that's 1,997,990 years ionto the future. Seems I've got nothing to worry about yet. The 2000 millennium .... Also, my own prophecy: "Jesus will not return! Not only not in your lifetime, not in mine either (and I'm 27, so I've got some time to go yet.... I hope), nor in anyone's lifetime ever after!" Now, who wants to bet on which of us is right? Paymnets will be made at the end of time, when we have finally established I was right. Minimum wager is 10,000 Euros (stuff your Dollars, Yanks! ). Payments to be made to the "Huntard will live life comfortably" trust fund. Odds: 10,000 to 1 That I'm right (and I am, so don't miss this great investment!)
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2315 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined:
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Buzsaw writes:
Which is of course why it isn't illegal to exercise religion (praying) in school either. Well then, Doc, if it's good enough for Congress and the swearing in of the president etc, it should be good enough for the classroom. They're all gub'ment facilities. Edited by Huntard, : changed a word, for more clarity
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2315 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
Buzsaw writes:
Aha! Language you see, not my native one! Smoke peacepipe on issue!
Huntard, ole bean, we're in the 2000 millennium which I alluded to, not the 2000th millenium. Savvy? "...I hope...."? You really don't need to wait in order to figure it out, Huntard. All you need do is an indepth study of the end time prophecies of the Biblical record, take a good look at what's going on globally and go figure. It's simple as that. If you ever do that, send me a message and we can arrange for your payment drop off. I'll take it in some kind of a commodity, thank you. The world currencies are tanking so rapidly that they likely won't be worth much by the time you get around to your study, thanks to the mindless monetary policies of the nations.
I was referring to my general health, Buz. Barring any bad news in that area, I expect to live till I'm 80 (or maybe longer, who knows what the medical sciences are capable of then!), and when I finally die, my prophecy stands: "that I will not see Jesus's return."
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2315 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
hooah212002 writes:
It's probably bone by the same people who showed that global warming is due to the decline in pirates:
I would like to see that one-to one study, Buz, of how exactly reading the judeo-christian bible in school correlates to the incline/decline of America. Interestingly, since pirates are on the rise again (you know, Somalia and all), it seems there's now some controversy about global warming! Coincidence, or something more? (Hey, I'm just asking questions!)
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2315 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
hooah212002 writes:
Well, you haven't beaten a slave to an inch of his life recently (don't kill him though, it's important to god that he lives through the ordeal), that's pretty damning....
Please explain what, pray tell, the "secular ideology" is, anyways (in your own words, from your perspective) and HOW exactly it is harming our country...
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2315 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
Buzsaw writes:
Like Rahvin, I'd be thrilled to know what my own values are from your mouth. Enlighten us, and save us from the horrors that are to come!
...athiestic values...
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2315 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
The reason we're asking you, Buz, is because we know that atheism lacks any values whatsoever. Since you seem to think that it does have values, we'd like to know what they are ,so we can correct you. Again...
Buzsaw writes:
That's right. I however, do feel responsible to my fellow humans. You know, the ones that actually have to live with the consequences of my decisions? Something god certainly doesn't have to.
I would suppose one of them would be that athiesm makes you think that you' re not answerable to a higher power and no matter what you do, good or bad, will have no eternal consequenses.
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2315 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined:
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Buzsaw writes:
And they differ from person to person.
That's how I used it. The people in the group/athiests determine what those values are to them. In the context which I used it I needn't consider it to have any valuse respective to me.
Of course not, you're not in the group.
Thank God, I am not in the group.
Let me get this straight: Do you or do you not know what values athesits hold? Yes or no, please. This sentence says you think you do (other from not believing in god part, of course, which is not a value), yet when asked for them you say you don't. And if you don't know, then you can't know if it is so terrible to belong to the group or not. Also, could you explain the yes or no after you've stated it? In case of a yes, please tell us the values. In case of a no, then why did you give the impression that you knew what those values were, and that they were terrible values to have.
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2315 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
Buzsaw writes:
That's a value? Not believing a particualr claim?
You have, in fact, implied one of athiesm's values, Huntard, which is that they don't believe in the Biblical god. Their values run counter to some of the major Biblical values.
Like?
Implied in this is what I aluded to before; that athiests value the fact that they don't consider themselves accountable for sin, righteousness or judgement after death.
Again, not believing in something is a value? {ABE}: Also, like I said before, I feel responsible towards my fellow humans. You know, the ones that actually have to live with the decisions I make? It's to them I am responsible. And this is reason enough for me to behave.{/ABE} The reason I thank God that I am not an athiest has nothing to do with whether atheists are what I consider moral or immoral. I have a number of athiest friends and people I interact with who are, in fact better people than some professing Christians who I know. Imo, it is not necessarily athiestic values which made these good folks moral. It likely had a lot to do with their up-bringng and enironment, education, etc, none of which are athestic values perse.
So far, you have only named one "value", which I don't think actually is a value. What are these others?
I also regard the values of all Biblical princples to be of great benefit to society and cultures...
Like beating slaves to an inch of their lives?
....the USA being so blessed over the past due to these values as compared to other nations of different cultures,...
Indeed, they beat a lot of slaves, didn't they.
especially what I consider as athiestic cultures such as the Communist block nations who have consistently been brutal and oppressive to their citizens as history attests.
As was the spanish inquisition, a decidedly non-atheist bunch. Also, I don't think anybody is dreading living in, say, Sweden, or even my country, who are certainly not christian.
---- But, I notice you didn't answer my very simple question, so here it is again:
Do you or do you not know what values atheists hold? A simple yes or no will do. And an explanation of the answer, please. If yes, please tell me what they are. If no, then why bring them up? Edited by Huntard, : Added {ABE} bit
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2315 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
Buzsaw writes:
The lack of evidence for a god, I'd say. But Dr. A. summed it up very nicely too:
Huntard, the atheist members on this board are all intelligent folks. I would assume that being such, there must be some unique values relative to atheism which cause them to be atheist. Dr. Adequate writes: To speak for myself, the unique quality that atheism has that sets it above all other opinions on religion, and the sole reason that I value it, is that it appears to be true. What other reasons should there be for forming an opinion on a question of fact? ---- Buzsaw writes:
So, you in fact don't know what values atheists hold, yet you seem convinced that these are bad values. I find such reasoning very strange.
Human cultures throughout the history of mankind have had a religious bent. Atheists must have a reason to value their atheism. I've cited the only reason I can think of. Perhaps there are other unique values relative to their atheistic bent. I don't know.
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2315 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
Buzsaw writes:
That can be used as an excuse for anything Buz. All those "atheists" you accuse of slaughter in say, Soviet Russia? Non-conformists, all of them. (remember, you don't know what values atheists hold, so you can't say they are not).
All groups have their non-conformists.
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2315 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
Buzsaw writes:
And that's not a value. Also, you were the only one claiming to know which values atheists hold. On further inquiry you admitted that you didn't, in fact, have a clue.
So far it appears that Buz is the only one who has cited any significant atheistic value, being that they consider themselves unaccountable to a higher power. Nobody else, including atheists have come up with anything significant.
We're not the ones claiming to know what values atheists hold, you are. And you don't know, or so you've said.
As for the values being bad, I've cited secularistic atheistic minded regimes of the Communist block nations which forbad Bibles into their nations who tortured and who slaughtered scores of millions last century as examples of the fruits of atheism when it becomes prevalent in a culture.
But those were non-conformists to the atheist's values, and since you, by your own admission, don't know what these are, you can't say they weren't.
Perhaps some of this may be due to the fact they those despots didn't think they would be accountable to a higher power for their bloody ruthlessness.
No, they were simply non-conformists.
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2315 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
Buzsaw writes:
The ones doing the slaughtering were the non-conformists to the atheistic values. You know, the ones you admitted you have absolutely no clue about what those are.
LOL again, Huntard. The non-conformists in those nations were the ones tortured and slaughtered; more than a few.
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2315 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
Buzsaw writes:
Really, not natural, Buz? So, when god created all this Homosexual behaviour in anaimals, he didn't actually do that because he wanted to show it's perfectly natural? He didn't create lesbain lizards, for example, who have sex with one another to stimulate ovulation and thus reproduce (by cloning themselves), to show homosexuality to be natural. He actuyally wanted to show us how bad it is, and that it goes completely against what he thinks nature should be? Is that what you are saying?
You know, there's a reason gays stayed in the proverbial closet until the 1960s or so. It's because it's not natural...
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