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Dr Adequate
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Message 35 of 245 (548792)
03-01-2010 9:08 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Buzsaw
02-28-2010 9:07 PM


Re: Poor Babes
My big heart BLEEDS for helpless crybabies who's looser agenda hasn't enough public support to elect representatives who will do their bidding.
Quite so. In Illinois, the Democrats have a 37:22 majority in the Senate and a 68:48 majority in the House. And yet helpless crybabies are still stamping their little feet and screaming that if this democratically elected body protects the civil rights of gay people, then this will constitute "fascism".

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Dr Adequate
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Message 36 of 245 (548793)
03-01-2010 9:11 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Buzsaw
03-01-2010 8:34 PM


Re: Communist Religious Persecution
Again, you distort my position.
Something that you would never do ...
What you want Taz is for gub'ment to continue the establishment of athiestic secularism into the schools and ban any religious exercisement in the schools. You people want to eliminate the republic so as to get your athiestic and secularist agenda exclusive in schools. You want the kiddies to be totally indoctrinated into your stuff.
You people say that Stalin's only purpose in torture and holocaust was to eliminate anything opposing his agend. Well, guess what? That's exactly what you people want; anything that counters your agenda/ideology outlawed.
... oh, wait.
---
I'm not sure what would be more disgusting --- if you know that the gibberish you spout is a lie, or if you've been driven so insane with hatred that you actually believe it.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 38 of 245 (548796)
03-01-2010 9:23 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Buzsaw
03-01-2010 9:06 PM


Re: Poor Babes
The Constitution has to do with what Congress can and cannot do. I can't impost anything. (Imo, establish is a better word) It appears that you want that governments establish athiestic and secular humanist values upon the rest of us. That, in fact is what is happening via the majority established gub'ment.
If you really believe that that is what is happening, "via the majority established gub'ment", then I know a guy who has words of little comfort to you. His name's Buzsaw, and he has this to say about those who don't like the will of the majority:
My big heart BLEEDS for helpless crybabies who's looser agenda hasn't enough public support to elect representatives who will do their bidding.
If you find this a little harsh, you should take it up with this Buzsaw fella, I'm just passing the message on. My opinions on religious liberty and the constitutional limits on government are well-known, so if you ever want to side with me against this Buzsaw chap against this imaginary imposition of atheistic values, I'm on your side, since I support the Constitutional guarantee of liberty of conscience and am not much keen on imaginary stuff.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 47 of 245 (548817)
03-01-2010 11:57 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by Buzsaw
03-01-2010 11:40 PM


Re: Communist Religious Persecution
It's just that you crybabies who are getting pretty much your way incessantly want more than what the elected reps have given you. As soon as some state or county loosens up an intsy tad on religion, you people screem and holler like spoiled brats who don't always get their way.
Well, this certainly puts a few things into perspective.
Up until now, for example, I had always thought that those people who complain about President Obama and the Democratic-controlled Senate and House were citizens urging democratic change by exercise of their inalienable right to freedom of speech. However, from now on I shall be guided by you, and think of them as "crybabies who incessantly want more than the elected reps have given them" and "spoiled brats who whine and holler". You have given me a valuable insight into the nature of democracy, and for that, sir, I thank you.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 59 of 245 (548831)
03-02-2010 12:39 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by Buzsaw
03-02-2010 12:15 AM


Re: Communist Religious Persecution
Yah, Doc, we're hollering, loud and clear, mostly because of all of those unelected shadowy czars by which the Obama Administration is clandestanly bankrupting the nation, makeing us dependent upon our enemies for energy and undermining the republic for which we have stood these past centuries so as to remake it into a looser socialist state somewhat like his buddy Soros envisions.
So, according to you, you're crybabies and spoiled brats for doing so.
Curiously enough, the contempt I feel for you almost equals the contempt that you apparently feel for yourself. But in my case, this is not because you oppose the status quo, which I regard as the right and sometimes the duty of every free man. No, it's because you appear to have gone off your head.

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Message 68 of 245 (548841)
03-02-2010 1:01 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by Buzsaw
03-02-2010 12:48 AM


Re: Constitutional Republic...
The Constitution does not forbid the exercise of religion in government facilities.
OF COURSE IT DOESN'T. It forbids the forbidding of it. That is one of the many reasons why it is not in fact forbidden.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 74 of 245 (548850)
03-02-2010 1:24 AM
Reply to: Message 71 by Buzsaw
03-02-2010 1:12 AM


Re: What Use To Be
One thing this thread has demonstrated is how America has changed in the last 60 years. There was a day when the Buz statements here would be understood and accepted by the majority.
If you're thinking of the Salem Witch Trials, then I would venture to suggest that even they wouldn't have swallowed your crap.
I pitty ye yunguns. Brace youselves for what's coming. I pray for you all.
If your prayers were at all effective, you wouldn't be reduced to screaming about how much you hate everything on the Internet.
The 2000 millennium will become the messianic millennium.
... though perhaps a little late. Apparently punctuality is not one of God's virtues.
Call me a liar now, but I shall be vindicated in the not too distant by and by.
If you'd care to place a more precise date on that, I'm up for a little wager.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 78 of 245 (548857)
03-02-2010 2:03 AM
Reply to: Message 77 by Taz
03-02-2010 1:45 AM


I don't know. I wasn't really paying attention to you. When I said "everyone" I really meant people I've been paying attention to. Buz's points went down by 0.3. Mine went up by 0.3. Dr. A's went down by 0.6.
Not as a result of this thread.
In fact the only two ways to maintain my perfect 5 would have involved either (a) convincing you all to join the Cult of Dr Adequate or (b) killing all the voters. Fortunately my ego is sufficiently robust to survive a little regression to the mean.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 120 of 245 (548959)
03-02-2010 7:06 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by Buzsaw
03-02-2010 6:02 PM


Re: Establishment Of Athiesm
You, the athiest are asking me?
We merely know what real atheists think --- but only you know what the imaginary atheists in your head think.
That is, athiesm must have values which entice you.
No, it's merely true. Does the proposition that 2 + 2 = 4 "have values that entice me"? Apart from being true, no.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 123 of 245 (548966)
03-02-2010 7:55 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by Buzsaw
03-02-2010 7:43 PM


Re: Establishment Of Athiesm
That's how I used it. The people in the group/athiests determine what those values are to them. In the context which I used it I needn't consider it to have any valuse respective to me. Thank God, I am not in the group.
That was nearly written in English. What does it mean?
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Message 160 of 245 (549700)
03-09-2010 11:52 PM
Reply to: Message 159 by Buzsaw
03-09-2010 11:40 PM


Re: Athiestic Values
Huntard, the atheist members on this board are all intelligent folks. I would assume that being such, there must be some unique values relative to atheism which cause them to be atheist.
Human cultures throughout the history of mankind have had a religious bent. Atheists must have a reason to value their atheism.
To speak for myself, the unique quality that atheism has that sets it above all other opinions on religion, and the sole reason that I value it, is that it appears to be true.
What other reasons should there be for forming an opinion on a question of fact?
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 161 of 245 (549701)
03-09-2010 11:56 PM
Reply to: Message 157 by Buzsaw
03-09-2010 9:58 PM


Re: Athiestic Values
It doesn't matter how many times I explain this, the same people on this board simply ignore what i have explained and post their strawmen responses falsly associating Christianity to violence.
So were Luther and Calvin not Christians?
The people that the popes and bishops of the RCC tortured and brutally killed in the inquisitions were the true Christians who refused to recant and be converted to Catholicism.
Whereas the people who were tortured and brutally killed by Protestants were just a bunch of Catholic heretics.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 190 of 245 (549834)
03-10-2010 11:55 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by Buzsaw
03-10-2010 9:10 AM


Re: Athiestic Values
Nice try, Doc ...
Yes, well, could you answer the question? Were Calvin and Luther Christians?
... but violence is not sanctioned by Jesus and his apostles ...
Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. --- Jesus
By and large protestant Christians have advocated and practiced non-violence as per the NT.
Yeah, I noticed. When GWB proposed the war on Iraq, all the Protestant congregations were against it ...
... oh, wait.
All groups have their non-conformists.
However, in this case it was the pacifists who were the nonconformists.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 192 of 245 (549836)
03-11-2010 12:09 AM
Reply to: Message 171 by Buzsaw
03-10-2010 9:31 AM


Re: Athiestic Values
So far it appears that Buz is the only one who has cited any significant atheistic value, being that they consider themselves unaccountable to a higher power.
Well, unless you count all the higher authorities to which atheists are in fact subject. But if you mean God, that's not a value, that's just (so far as we know) a fact. You disbelieve in flying pigs --- would you say that it was a aflyingpiggist value that no pig can fly over your head and crap on you?
Nobody else, including atheists have come up with anything significant.
No, we haven't. On the contrary, we have told you that there can be no shared set of atheist values any more than there can be a shared set of values between people who disbelieve in flying pigs. You and I both disbelieve in flying pigs --- does that mean we should have the same opinions on ethics or politics or aesthetics or ... well, anything else?
Dr Adequate gives his sole reason as believing it's true. Ladedah! We all believe our stuff is true.
Well, yes. And that is in fact the only good reason for believing anything about a proposition of factual type. Could there possibly be a good reason for not believing in flying pigs --- except for thinking that it is true that there are no flying pigs?
As for the values being bad, I've cited secularistic atheistic minded regimes of the Communist block nations which forbad Bibles into their nations who tortured and who slaughtered scores of millions last century as examples of the fruits of atheism when it becomes prevalent in a culture.
Looks more like the fruits of Communism to me.
Perhaps some of this may be due to the fact they those despots didn't think they would be accountable to a higher power for their bloody ruthlessness.
But religious people have behaved with equally wanton cruelty. The problem is that when people think they're "accountable to a higher power", they tend to come to the conclusion that what this higher power wants them to do is what they in fact want to do. Did anyone ever say to himself: "I want to burn heretics ... but I bet God wouldn't approve, so I won't"?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 193 of 245 (549837)
03-11-2010 12:22 AM
Reply to: Message 191 by Buzsaw
03-11-2010 12:05 AM


Re: Athiestic Values
Taz, you're sure caught up into this pro gay campaign. You know, there's a reason gays stayed in the proverbial closet until the 1960s or so. It's because it's not natural ...
Like lightbulbs.
... and most cultures considered it to be as deviant as adultery, fornication and prostitution.
Like early Christians.
Whether you go with evolution or ID, the sex organs were no more designed for gay sex than your car was designed for an all positive battery or a male pipe fitting was designed to connect to another male fitting.
And yet gay people seem to enjoy it. Apparently your God did indeed design the human body in such a way that such things as anal sex, fellatio, and mutual masturbation would be fun. Any idea why?
So far as the concern for the environment, some of us who are just as concerned as the whakos, use better judgement as to where to draw the line. If you want to tow the environmentalist line, sell your car and walk or ride a horse. Don't buy a bike. There's too much stuff involved in the making of it to be environmentally kosher. Wear all cotton, don't heat your house, stay off the asphalt when you walk. It takes a lot of oil, you know and oil doesn't grow on trees. If you really want to tow the environmentalist line, tow it and stop being a preachy hypocrite.
But that would not be "toeing [note spelling] the environmentalist line", since no environmentalist does in fact preach that people shouldn't walk on asphalt, nor condemn bicycles as the work of iniquity.
I don't think you've thought this one through.

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