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Peepul
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Message 182 of 297 (549872)
03-11-2010 8:20 AM
Reply to: Message 166 by marc9000
03-10-2010 10:00 PM


Re: The Discovery Institute's pet "Biologic Institute" ...
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The scientific community’s success in shouting down ID so far has been to declare it religion, and disregard it without addressing the scientific challenges it provides to naturalism.
Some of the founders of ID declared it religion themselves. Some of them invented it specifically to counter materialism.
ID self destructs if religion is left out of it. If life was designed, then the designer must have been a complex entity. Applying design detection to that entity will inevitably show that it too must have been designed. And so on, infinitely.
The only ways out of this are
- some designer came to exist without design
- an ultimate designer has always existed, by necessity, who needs no explanation.
The first disproves ID, or at least makes it completely naturalistic. The second is a religious statement.
There's no way out of this.

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