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Pauline Member (Idle past 3757 days) Posts: 283 Joined:
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By the way, ItchiBan. I see you've already managed a 1 rating. You see, the rate voting in this board is democratic where sooner or later the minority POV ends up with low ratings. Pay no attention to that.The tendency of some is to vote ideology over performance. I agree with Buzsaw. The user rating system here shouldn't bother you at all. Sooner or later you'll come to realize that it offers great convenience to highly biased, inconsiderate, and partial posters who hate who you are more than they disagree or dislike what you write. Keep posting well formulated, insightful, and rich posts and you'll be able to withstand the voices calling out against you. Become your own defense. Enjoy your time here, this forum is VERY worth attending. Welcome to EvC. -Dr. Sing
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Pauline Member (Idle past 3757 days) Posts: 283 Joined:
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Huh? But all we know of each other on this site is what we write. We know nothing else. That's it. What is it exactly that you think makes people hate you other than what you write? Your avatar pic? It is clearly noticeable that often posts are demeaned and laughed at just because they come from a creationist. When I said "who you are", I meant your position, whether you are creationist or evolutionist. Oh and if I had something Christian for my profile pic, I bet that would influence my post ratings.....even though, it really shouldn't.
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Pauline Member (Idle past 3757 days) Posts: 283 Joined:
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Nonsense. If you disagree, perhaps you would care to provide an example of a creationist post that is rated low despite being eminently sensible? Ah yes, and as if there's a dearth of rated 1 posts that have nothing to do the creation/evolution debate but are so by virtue of their "pitiful" origin.
The only way we now what people's positions are is by what they write. Right. But positions don't keep changing with every post. The preliminary conclusion that designates one as a creationist, is enough fuel to keep the 1s coming at him for a considerable period.
Your rating went down because you moved from slating ID (something that most here agree with you about) to expounding upon Calvinist beliefs (something that most here disagree with). That's all. It's what you write, not who you are. Ask yourself if I would get the same rating if I was a theistic evolutionist. Most people would be like, so what if they're Calvinist? they're evolutionist.
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Pauline Member (Idle past 3757 days) Posts: 283 Joined:
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Sounds like a possible experiment. Perhaps you could talk to Percy about creating a second account and seeing if this holds true. If I may make a few suggestions, why don't you try to portray yourself as an atheist who thinks the moon landings were faked. I would bet that you would end up with the same rating as you do now.
And if I portrayed myself as a theist who thought the moon landings were faked, I argue that I not only would get a more detestable rating but comparatively more loads of "compliments".
Granny M writes: Example? Message 13 So, why a 1? The poster gives some sound advice. Furthermore, this situation is a perfect example to demonstrate that evolution is incapable of providing one with practical wisdom for life. Which you get only from religion. So instead of being appreciative of it, people rate it a 1?
GM writes: I personally detest religion. That would not stop me from positively rating a post from a theistic evo. The fact that many theistic evo's on this board can boast high ratings, despite being surrounded by atheists, rather undermines your argument that we are partisan. And corroborates the claim that religion is often a much more powerful player in these forums than pure ideology when it comes to ratings. Edited by Dr. Sing, : typos Edited by Dr. Sing, : No reason given.
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Pauline Member (Idle past 3757 days) Posts: 283 Joined: |
Yes, Rahvin. What you say is true. But unfortunately your theory doesn't conform to your claims...
1) the Theory of Evolution is a scientific model. It no more pretends to provide with "practical wisdom" than does teh Theory of Gravity. So do scientific models deal with things like morality? Kindness, love, anger, guilt? When was the last time the theory of gravity or quantum theory told us that morality is a logical consequence of being human?
I have no faith, and yet I'm perfectly capable of making wise decisions in my life. Okay. And what do you rely on to make these decisions? Mutations? Obviously, your innate sense of morality, right? Which...is that the domain of science? No. Then why does evolution peek its ugly head into matters that are not its domain. If it wants to be called scientific, let it not deal with things for which it has no scientific evidence, like emotions. I don't mean to say that you use evolution (or that you need to) to make your decisions in life, I don't know what you use. You mention that you once believed, well, I'm lead to believe thatsomething has replaced that empty spot. But do you see my point? Any branch that cuts the cord between supernaturalism and man is doing injustice to the abstract qualities man possesses that are unique to him.
Instead of whining perhaps you should figure out why your arguments don't carry any weight. You seem to be using your paranoia as a crutch. And you seem to be using meaningless cartoons? Are you kidding me? Do you really think that this nation is mainly Christian? or that this world is? Really??
GM writes: Perhaps they dislike him for reasons other than his creationism. I have to say, I'm not exactly ICANT's biggest fan myself, but that's not because he is creationist; it's down to the way he argues and how he behaves. Fair enough. That's your opinion. However, it would be unreasonable for you to vouch for the thousands of posters here.
Scientific theories are descriptive, not proscriptive. Do you imagine that the theory of gravity should hold some practical advice for our lives? Or that quantum theory should teach moral truths? You are being absurd. You see, if you say silly things, you will get low ratings. ABSOLUTELY NOT, Granny M (if I may say this, you're getting worked up for no good reason) No scientific theory need ever give us advice for life. (such a claim is idiotic, to say the least) All I'm saying is that, it really would be nice if the very "scientific" evolutionary theory remained within the domain of science. Problem arises when evolutionists bring it into faith's domain and force it to incorporate an explanation for abstract entities such as human love and anger, to name just a few.
Either you are so grotesquely ignorant that you have never heard of secular moral philosophy or you are lying. Neither seems worthy of high ratings to me. Secular ethics is a feeble (and failed) attempt to hold on to your inner supernatural domain for fear of losing it altogether, IMO. But again, that's my opinion. You may not like it. I'm not trying to rub it on you.
lynx writes: AbE: You are right, Dr. Sing. ICANT got totally robbed on post 13. That's a 4 if one wants to be a jerk. I've gone back and given him a 5. Why don't you do the same? We can raise the average. Thank you. I really appreciate it. It bothered me more than my own poor rating. (One considerate person on this forum, thank you)
What? Are you even reading what I'm saying? The fact that I am willing to rate messages highly where I agree with their content yet despise the religious beliefs of the poster confirms that I am voting based on religion? What the fuck? It demonstrates the opposite. Do I have to hand-walk you through this? If I always rate someone low when I disagree with their religion that means I'm acting out of bias against religion. If I rate someone high when I agree with their point despite the fact that I disagree with their religion that means I'm not acting out of bias against religion. How could that mean anything else? You might be saying this in all honesty, GM. But I doubt that everyone here here is as honest you. Edited by Dr. Sing, : No reason given.
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Pauline Member (Idle past 3757 days) Posts: 283 Joined: |
Thank you, Rahvin.
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Pauline Member (Idle past 3757 days) Posts: 283 Joined: |
Numbers can play nasty mental tricks. You do realize that not everyone who purports to be "Christian" is a true Bible-believing Christian, don't you?
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Pauline Member (Idle past 3757 days) Posts: 283 Joined:
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Granny Mag,
Why don't we do what you want in a different thread, another time? I think the topic you raise deserves much more space, time, and dedication. Before anyone throws a "ha! look, now she's ignoring the challenge and running away" at me, know that this topic interests me and I will surely get back to it. Just not at this moment... Plus, this is the suggestions and questions forum anyway...
You don't think that you're a "true Bible-believing Christian" do you? You're not. You're a fake. You're not a real Christian. The only true Christians are... {drumroll please} the Mormons! Yup. Only the CLDS is truly Christian. I know this is true, I saw it on South Park. You don't make the grade. You're a sham. I mean, Calvinists? Please! That makes you little better than a Satan worshipper. You're not a real Christian. Or, possibly, just possibly, using the No True Scotsman fallacy to wriggle out of being proved wrong by accusing people you've never even met of lying is bullshit. Just a thought. Take a chill pill, GM. I may not be as eloquent as you in saying things, but I do know one thing: Too many words make too little sense.
BJ writes: Hi, Dr. Sing. I also agree that ICANT's message doesn't deserve such a poor rating. The good news is that sympathetic atheists (and now, 1 theisti evolutionist) have managed to bump the rating of that message up to a 4.2! Thanks, Bluejay.
Also, I think Percy has plans to replace the current rating system with something better sometime in the future, so I wouldn't get too worked up over it. I'm not. Its more the others who are getting worked up. I was just giving Ichiban some words from personal experience. I never made any generalized statements in my original post. I only said that the rating sys is convenient for posters who are inconsiderate and biased. Does that mean that all here are biased?? No. There are honest, considerate people. And they just proved themselves by taking the time to rate up ICANT's post. Just wanted to say, Percy is great. Thank you for all you do! Kudos to you. Even though the rating system stinks, this forum is a much better, more professional and scholarly place than a LOT others. Ichiban, I didn't intend to sound like this is a inconsiderate and biased forum. This is by far the BEST creo/evo forum I've ever visited. The people here (a good number of them) are scholars. You proably will learn a LOT (like I am) through this forum. Just don't take the ratings to heart. Are you happy, Granny?
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Pauline Member (Idle past 3757 days) Posts: 283 Joined: |
Science and emotions, is what I meant.
------- And why would a real Christian not say that?
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Pauline Member (Idle past 3757 days) Posts: 283 Joined: |
it tells us how we acquired those features of behavior that we have inherited from our ancestors. The Theory of Evolution, however, does not tell us how we should act. It doesn't say whether any given behavior is ethical, whether we should feel anger or joy or depression or revulsion in any given circumstance. I never claimed that it tells us how to act. It can't.
And that is my point. You question the value of anything that explicitly denies or replaces the supernatural. I simply see no reason to think the supernatural exists at all. Fair enough, Rahvin. I don't blame you, the evolutionary theory (among others you hold on to) seems to have great success at eliminating the supernatural from your worldview. We'll see what real science has to say about this. Someday... I know we're discussing this right now in another thread, and I'll restrict my posts to that one....see you there.
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Pauline Member (Idle past 3757 days) Posts: 283 Joined: |
In fact, even if I had no explanation whatsoever for the diversity of life, or any other scientific theory, I would still not jump to the supernatural as an explanation unless reproducible, objective evidence supported the supernatural as an accurate representation of reality. That's the difference between us, it seems: you view the supernatural as a sort of default position for anything you aren't able to readily explain, or for which you feel an emotional reaction of awe or wonder. Perfectly wrong, Rahvin. I delve into things I can't explain and research them myself. Once I have accurate knowledge and observable evidence, I am content. As opposed to saying the proverbial, goddidit. I never look at something mind-boggling and think, wow, I can never explain this--this is supernatural. Where faith plays its biggest role in my life is, practical living. Christianity influences my relationships, decisions, and convictions. It influences my ethics, lifestyle, conversation, vocabulary, attire, and in general who I am and what I do with my life. It never dictates how I should view science. When it comes to science, I'm one of those people who is ample content to know that my God created a beautiful universe, acknowledge this----and proceed to answer the how, why, what, and when questions. I love this quote by Galileo: Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe. To me this is inspiring. While I acknowledge that God is the author of the universe, I endeavor to discover how He managed to do it and the intricacies therein. Heh. Too bad biological science doesn't want to make friends with its maker.
The only reason the supernatural is not accepted in science, Dr., is because you cannot test it, you cannot reproduce it, and there is absolutely no way to tell whether any claim of the supernatural is any more accurate than a completely random guess. Yep. And I would never be so foolish to claim "God" to be scientific.When God transcends science, I see no need for me to justify Him scientifically.... If evidence is presented supporting the existence of the supernatural (or anything else, for that matter), in a way that is reproducible by independent parties, that makes predictions that can be tested against reality for their accuracy, and so on, thei I will immediately accept the supernatural as real. Until then...it's all just human imagination as far as I'm concerned. By definition, God transcends science, observation, and empiricism. He's like the wind, which you cannot see but you "know" its there because of its effects. For one to capture God in scientific empiricism is farcical, IMO. You've gotta let apples be apples, and oranges be oranges. Edited by Dr. Sing, : No reason given.
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Pauline Member (Idle past 3757 days) Posts: 283 Joined: |
Right! Who rated all my messages at a 1?! Which bastard is responsible for this travesty? Don't they realise what they've done? My member rating has dropped by 0.1 - 0.1! - What kind of monster could commit such a calumny? I'm devastated. Clearly this a malicious creationist conspiracy, and not, definitely not, just the work of one person who disagreed with what I had to say. I shall now leave this forum in a state of umbrage, never to return. Mutate and Die in a Fire, you big bunch of meanies.
the appalling behaviour of creationist bullies on this site proves without doubt that evolution is true. QED. Great. One more "scientific, empirical" evidence for evolution in action. Why don't you go publish a paper on "How creationist bullies prove evolution through their appalling behavior"? Hey, it kills time... Edited by Dr. Sing, : No reason given.
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Pauline Member (Idle past 3757 days) Posts: 283 Joined: |
Well, have you seen the wind, then?
You need to replace the batteries in your humor detector. I think that would strike only retards as humorous. Edited by Dr. Sing, : No reason given. Edited by Dr. Sing, : No reason given.
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Pauline Member (Idle past 3757 days) Posts: 283 Joined: |
Your score is low because a lot of people dislike your posts Oh. Uhmmmmmhh? wow, thank you for enlightening me. What would I do without you, bluejay? Haha. lol?
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Pauline Member (Idle past 3757 days) Posts: 283 Joined: |
I was waiting for you to chime in Buz, so I could correct GM by saying thatyou are obviously the only true christian. Anyone not Buz is a phony. So, define a true christian in your own words, will you hooah?
Do you see the irony in this statement, Buz? I sure do. It would have been ironical had he not included the expression"alas". That tells me that he feels sorry that deception is often powerful enough to fool even the intelligent ones...and that the phrase"I can't understand how..." is more of a expression of feeling sorry rather than lacking the mental intellectual capacity to understand how....
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