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Buzsaw
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Message 6 of 128 (549884)
03-11-2010 9:51 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by IchiBan
03-11-2010 3:21 AM


ItchiBan writes:
I'll suggest it be re-named to "Evolutionist echo chamber" with a sub title of "No Dissent allowed", and maybe with a very small c at the end
Hi, ItchiBan. A hearty welcome to EvC from ole Buz who's about as fundi creationist as it gets. I'll bet a buck to a hole in a doughnut that I'm more fundi a creo than you. Let us see what you've got.
There was a time when I would have agreed with you and when, in fact, I said as much, having been banned without suspension twice during my sojourn here. That's all forgiven cause here I still are enjoying a reasonable amount of freedom to disseminate my minority POV within the perameters of the Forum Guidelines.
We could use more creationists thick skinned enough to mingle among motivated mainstream minded members.
The science forums are where you must tiptoe among the tulips so as to participate. Presentations of supernatural assumptions must be appropriately proposed in proper places.
Enjoy! Buzsaw
Edited by Buzsaw, : Careless spelling

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 7 of 128 (549886)
03-11-2010 10:02 AM


Oh, And By The Way
By the way, ItchiBan. I see you've already managed a 1 rating. You see, the rate voting in this board is democratic where sooner or later the minority POV ends up with low ratings. Pay no attention to that. The tendency of some is to vote ideology over performance.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 47 of 128 (549983)
03-11-2010 8:39 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by Granny Magda
03-11-2010 4:43 PM


Re: BOM vs Bible
Granny Magda writes:
The only true Christians are... {drumroll please} the Mormons! Yup. Only the CLDS is truly Christian.
Yah sure, Granny. You mean Johnny Come Lately, Smith's religion who's after the fact BOM which is about a third plagerized Biblical stuff and the faceless characters, Maroni et al spun up from proverbial whole cloth. LOL.
When the LDS folks come to my door I invite them in for a friendly chat. I make a deal with them. Since the Bible came first, show me one fulfilled BOM prophecy or any one thing that the BOM affords which the Bible has not already afforded that will benefit my life here or in the hereafter and I'll become a Mormon. I've spent some time over the years with different ones. So far, LOL.
Having said the above, I commend the Mormons for stocking up survival goods in case of emergency etc. They're good to for anyone wanting geneology info. That's about it.
For the life of me, I can't understand how intelligent folks can't see through the Smith's jibberish. It's not even good literature, but alas, deception is powerful.
Are you old enough to remember the Heavens Gaters from plush Rancho Santa Fe; intelligent computer techys, 30 of them who followed their instructor's advice to cyanide themselves so as to connect up with Haley's Comet as it passed over the planet? Yah, deception is powerful. At least the Bible's stuff (lots of it) is coming to pass prezactly as prophesied.
Off topic? Hey, at least it's a break from the ratings yada. All I did was post a heads up on that to IchiBan and.......well, anyhoo, I forgot; you're athiest, aren't you? Thinking of becoming a Momon?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 50 of 128 (549986)
03-11-2010 9:00 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Blue Jay
03-11-2010 8:20 PM


Rating: Birds Of A Feather Flock Together.
Bluejay writes:
Your score is low because a lot of people dislike your posts, not because somebody with a bias is taking advantage of the system.
Hi Bluejay. The kicker is why people dislike posts. There's reasons why the majority rate relatively high, regardles of how they articulate and present their POV. I admit that I'm ideologically biased in how I would rate. If a message rings true with what makes sense to me, I would tend to rate it higher than I would for a message that I figured was nonsense from a highly rated member. I have no doubt but that that is generally the case, since birds of a feather flock together. I spent some time on Prophecy Talk creationist forum and got good ratings there by posting stuff like what I post here. Reason? Because birds of a feather flock together.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 54 of 128 (549992)
03-11-2010 9:15 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by hooah212002
03-11-2010 8:52 PM


Re: BOM vs Bible
hooah writes:
I was waiting for you to chime in Buz, so I could correct GM by saying thatyou are obviously the only true christian. Anyone not Buz is a phony.
Do you see the irony in this statement, Buz? I sure do.
You need to pay attention, Hooah, to the number of times I refer to my brethren/brothers and or sisters (in Christ Jesus), i.e. the elect and that I support my persecuted black Christian brothers and sisters in Africa, etc.
What's so ironic, Hooah? Did you read, "At least the Bible's stuff (lots of it) is coming to pass prezactly as prophesied" in the post to which you responded?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 55 of 128 (549993)
03-11-2010 9:19 PM


Bump For ItchiBan
Hey Itchi, what's up? We're all sittin around visitin 'n waitin for you, since it's your thread.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 89 of 128 (550170)
03-13-2010 8:42 AM
Reply to: Message 87 by Dr Adequate
03-13-2010 8:17 AM


Re: Jesus's Divinity
Dr Adequate writes:
Jesus is the one person to be worshiped as a god by his followers without having claimed divinity.
Hi Doc. Why did he accept worship from different ones? Doesn't son of God qualify for divinity?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 103 of 128 (550220)
03-13-2010 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by Pauline
03-13-2010 12:01 PM


Re: Hey Admin
Dr Sing writes:
The number 1 reason I don't contribute to the creo/evo debate is because it is meaningless,
Hi Doc Sing. I appreciate your participation here and do hope you will continue to bless us with your participation.
I do contribute to the creo/evo debate. Face it. If Evolution and the BB is factual, the Biblical record is fiction. If The Bible is fiction, evo/BB is fiction. It's one or the other.
Given the prominency of the majority science view, it's a David vs Philistine giant conflict. Biblicalists have dropped the ball on this long enough for secularist humanist interpretations of observed phenomena to prevail.
Essentially, it's logic vs the BB, biogenesis and evolution. Logic's argument is that the alleged BB singularity event had no space in which to have existed, no time in which it could have happened and no outside of into which it could have expanded. Logic says that the probability of a sub-particle, sub-sub-sub........microscopic area of whatever progressing in complexity and volumn into all (and more) of what we can observe today void of any intelligent planning or design, is less than the probability of the Biblical record which is supported by significant corroborating evidences.
Logic argues that the relative uniformatarian math model for the BB is at least (I say at least) as non-falsifiable as the Biblical record.
I'll wager my soul on the probability of the Biblical record any day rather than on the probability of the mainline scientific model.
It greives me that so many intelligent apostate ex-Christians whom I encountered here on this board have sold their soul/birthright for this, imo, profusely propagated pot of porrage.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 106 of 128 (550232)
03-13-2010 6:14 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by Pauline
03-13-2010 6:08 PM


Hit wrong key twice before ready to submit
Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.
Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.

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Buzsaw
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Message 107 of 128 (550233)
03-13-2010 6:14 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by Pauline
03-13-2010 6:08 PM


Re: Credibility Of Biblical Record
Dr Sing writes:
Problem is, Buz, they don't even realize they have a soul. They'd want to physically behold it to know for sure..... When people disconnect themselves with their spiritual inner man, they become too acquainted with the material man.... And within such a worldview, life is pre-occupied with accuracy, numbers, and evidence (among other things)....souls and spirits belong in fairly tales....and it becomes ever harder to convince....No matter how logical and authentic an argument is provided, it will be bushed off as inaccurate or irrelevant to their worldview....
But Doc, how do you arrive at this.......
Dr Sing writes:
The number 1 reason I don't contribute to the creo/evo debate is because it is meaningless,.....
in view of my previous response? You didn't touch on the high point of my message, relative to the credibility factor of the Biblical record?
Edited by Buzsaw, : fix error
Edited by Buzsaw, : update msg title

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 108 of 128 (550235)
03-13-2010 6:37 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by nwr
03-13-2010 4:04 PM


Re: Credibility Of Biblical Record
NWR writes:
No, that does not follow. You can only conclude is that parts of the Bible are metaphorical.
Of course there are obvious metaphorical parts clearly implied in some texts, NWR, but when you wave off the underlying Genesis foundation of origins, upon which the credibility of the book rests, you destroy the credibility of the whole book.
Edited by Buzsaw, : Message title

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 112 of 128 (550265)
03-13-2010 11:00 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by nwr
03-13-2010 7:27 PM


Re: Credibility Of Biblical Record
NWR writes:
No, the credibility of the rest of the book stands on the credibilility of the rest of the book. That you "destroy the credibility of the whole book" is nonsense.
I'll grant that you destroy the theology of original sin. But the theology of original sin is made up bullshit theology, invented after the time of Jesus.
But still, it's analogous to a person who lies enough about important matters that he/she looses credibility. In this case Jehovah, god of the book looses credibility. Not only that, but all of the people of the book such as OT patriarchs, Jesus, son of Jehovah and his apostles, loose credibility because they alude to the Genesis record as factual.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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