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Message 70 of 128 (550014)
03-12-2010 12:03 AM
Reply to: Message 57 by Pauline
03-11-2010 9:26 PM


Pauline writes:
Oh, and thanks for the 1 on message 53, guys. I appreciate it.
It wasn't me. I have not rated that message.
If I had rated it, then a 1 would be in consideration. That's a message that did not need to be posted. It doesn't contribute anything useful to the discussion. And that would be one of my criteria for a 1.

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Message 97 of 128 (550182)
03-13-2010 12:27 PM
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03-13-2010 12:01 PM


Re: Hey Admin
Pauline writes:
The number 1 reason I don't contribute to the creo/evo debate is because it is meaningless, IMO.
I would not call it meaningless. However, it is highly polarized. It is entirely reasonable to not want to participate in such polarized debates. It is just a matter of being selective as to which threads you read, and as to which threads you decide to debate.

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Message 101 of 128 (550209)
03-13-2010 2:25 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by Pauline
03-13-2010 12:48 PM


Teaching creationism
Pauline writes:
If people were so broad-minded as to incorporate a separate class for religion in schools, then yeah, creationism could be taught there.
Personally, I would not have a problem with such a class if it was taught fairly and with no attempt to indoctrinate. But there is so much polarization in America, I don't think that is possible. A fair, non-indoctrinating treatment would be criticized by the religious right who would claim that it was indoctrinating secular values by virtue of its even-handedness. And then some of the more vocal critics of religion would sue on the basis that it violated the first amendment, unless that class spent as much time on other religions as it spent on Christianity.

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nwr
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Message 104 of 128 (550222)
03-13-2010 4:04 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by Buzsaw
03-13-2010 3:49 PM


Re: Hey Admin
Buzsaw writes:
If Evolution and the BB is factual, the Biblical record is fiction.
No, that does not follow. You can only conclude is that parts of the Bible are metaphorical.
Buzsaw writes:
I'll wager my soul on the probability of the Biblical record any day rather than on the probability of the mainline scientific model.
Oops! You just made a bad bet.

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Message 109 of 128 (550242)
03-13-2010 7:27 PM
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03-13-2010 6:37 PM


Re: Credibility Of Biblical Record
Buzsaw writes:
Of course there are obvious metaphorical parts clearly implied in some texts, NWR, but when you wave off the underlying Genesis foundation of origins, upon which the credibility of the book rests, you destroy the credibility of the whole book.
No, the credibility of the rest of the book stands on the credibilility of the rest of the book. That you "destroy the credibility of the whole book" is nonsense.
I'll grant that you destroy the theology of original sin. But the theology of original sin is made up bullshit theology, invented after the time of Jesus.

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nwr
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Message 114 of 128 (550268)
03-13-2010 11:21 PM
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03-13-2010 11:00 PM


Re: Credibility Of Biblical Record
Buzsaw writes:
But still, it's analogous to a person who lies enough about important matters that he/she looses credibility.
Not at all.
Did Charles Dickens lose credibility for writing "Oliver Twist"?
Buzsaw writes:
In this case Jehovah, god of the book looses credibility.
What loses credibility, is the ridiculous assumption that God is the author of the biblical text. That assumption is an invention of theologians.
Buzsaw writes:
In this case Jehovah, god of the book looses credibility. Not only that, but all of the people of the book such as OT patriarchs, Jesus, son of Jehovah and his apostles, loose credibility because they alude to the Genesis record as factual.
Do they? People make allusions to Sherlock Holmes in similar ways, yet nobody says that those are "as factual". I say that the allusions to the Genesis creation story are simply allusions to a well understood part of the culture. It is the theologians who create problems by asserting that those allusions are "as factual".

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