WooHoo! More idiots running the gub'ment.

Satans animals, Huntard, satans animals.

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"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan"On a personal note I think he's the greatest wrestler ever. He's better than Lou Thesz, Gorgeous George -- you name it."-The Hulkster on Nature Boy Ric Flair

"Its not natural" is just another way of saying "it makes me feel icky, personally."After all, one can hardly reject the unnatural whilst using a computer and the internet.

Yes, but no one is protesting male pipe fittings connecting to other male fittings. No one is tying cars to fence posts after beating the crap out of them and leaving them to die. No one is murdering male pipe fittings and cars for wanting to be together.We are talking about HUMAN BEINGS here Buzz not asanine unrelated metaphors.Just because you don't think they belong together or think it is not natural (whatever that means- I think you are not natural :rolleyes does not mean they are not entitled to basic human rights. Does it really matter what two human beings do in the privacy of there home as concenting adults? Should we go into your home and start video taping you and your wife so that you don't commit sodomy acts? REALLY?!?And if gay people want to get married, hitched, betrothed, tie the knot, yoked, whatever? Who cares? Does it affect anyone else's freedoms? NO! So what difference is it of yours? Is it impeding any of your freedoms? Absolutely not! Get over it and stop impeding the rights of others.Or do you not believe that Thomas Jefferson was correct in his advocating certain inalienable (unable to take away) human rights such as Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness? Do you not think the right of two people whether they be straight or gay to get married is part of the "pursuit of Happiness"?Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given.Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given.

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One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous. - Carl Sagan, The Fine Art of Baloney Detection"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

Your post is a perfect demonstration of your lack of what I would consider real morality. When I presented my argument that christians use other means beside violence to oppress, I actually used real modern day recent examples of this. When you tried to counter with arguments against environmentalists, all you could come up with were ridiculous caricatured made-up environmentalist arguments. This is dishonesty. It even violates one of your damn 10 commandments.It just boggles my mind how someone like you could proclaim to be a real christian, hold the moral high ground, and lie so casually.Edited by Taz, : No reason given.

In today's New York Times: Excerpt: --Percy

Hi DA, And I agree with you. Just like I never claimed that these were verifiable objective experiences.The only point I was trying to make by invoking Aesop was that differing opinions of what a god is, is in itself not evidence that gods do not exist. (And I was bored and I like using silly metaphors).Then I responded to the claim that the allegory should be modified by removing the elephant altogether. Which IMHO is stupid because the uncertainty and subjectivity part of the problem is already exemplified by the blindness of the "elephant touchers". Religious experiences are either of "gods" or of something else entirely, but considering the pervasiveness of religiosity in human culture and core similarities amongst beliefs, one might humbly suggest that religions exist for more or less the same reasons.These reasons could once again be gods, or they could be psychosomatic, but nevertheless they are represented by the elephant. Beliefs in the "elephant" may differ because of varying perspectives, ideas and, if indeed the elephant is "supernatural", because of imperfect knowledge of what the elephant is. I hope I have made it clear now that I'm not trying to "prove" anything. My purpose was merely to point out what I perceived as a weakness in subbie's argument.Respectfully,-Meldinoor

Hi subbie,I admire your poetically verbose imagination. You might just be qualified to write religion. Nevertheless, I see more similarities between different religions than I see differences. Sure, the details may vary. But you'll notice that the blind men in Aesop's story have contradicting opinions of what an elephant is too.One thinks the elephant is a long snake like thing, another thinks it's a tree trunk, another thinks an elephant is flat like a pancake. Pretty contradicting, and mutually inconsistent, unless they consider the possibility that these things are all parts of what an elephant is.Respectfully,-Meldinoor

except they aren't facts Would it alarm you if I pointed out males are are highly sensitive in the anus? As a matter of fact the prostate gland makes it far more sensitive than a female could ever feel there.... Since this in fact the case did God indeed design it this way?

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Texas Approves Curriculum Revised by Conservatives

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after three days of turbulent meetings, the Texas Board of Education on Friday voted to approve a social studies curriculum that will put a conservative stamp on history and economics textbooks, stressing the superiority of American capitalism, questioning the Founding Father’s commitment to a purely secular government and presenting Republican political philosophies in a more positive light.

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Oh Hell lets just let them succeed it'll show everyone how such "philosophies" will lead them to third world status.

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One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous. - Carl Sagan, The Fine Art of Baloney Detection"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

Aren't these christians ashamed of what they are doing, rewriting history like this? I mean... what the hell happened to thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor? I'm sure half the founding fathers just rolled over in their graves.

This is one of those values differences between atheists and Christians that Buz is seeking:
Atheists actually do care about the truth, whereas Christians only give it lip service and will zealously violating it when it they believe it would serve their god -- or even just for the helluvit.Edited by dwise1, : had left out conjunctive

I even read in one article, some members wanted the Tea Party movement to be put into text books. Already. It's not even history yet for crying out loud.{ABE}
Wow, this shit is thick. They are removing Thomas Jefferson and replacing him with......Thomas Aquinas. http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2010/03/texas_boe_removes_jefferson_fr.phpGood job on keeping up the ignorance Texas.Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.

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"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan"On a personal note I think he's the greatest wrestler ever. He's better than Lou Thesz, Gorgeous George -- you name it."-The Hulkster on Nature Boy Ric Flair

It is more likely that they are proud of putting the truth (what they see as truth) back into the history books.

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They also agreed to strike the word "democratic" in references to the form of U.S. government, opting instead to call it a "constitutional republic."

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Then proceeded to violate several of the rights guaranteed to us as citizens of a constitutional republic. Presumably, if attacked for this, they would argue, "But this is a democracy, and that's what the majority wants!"Actually, I'd be willing to bet that they struck "democratic" because they didn't want to do anything to give Democrats any press.

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Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas JeffersonFor we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack ObamaWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat