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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Theodoric writes: You do know that Moses is a central prophet in Islam, don't you? You do know that preaching or teaching Bible is forbidden in Saudi Arabia, Indonesia and other Muslim nations? BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Huntard writes: Before we get to the actual crossing, speculation about the route the isrealites supposedly took. No evidence that they actually took this route presented. Also, we get some talk about a supposed egyptian fort that was supposed to have stood there. A structure is shown, but no evidence for the claim that this was an Egyptian fort. Some assertions are made about where the pillar of clouds was and went. 1. The hypothesis of the research begun was the Biblical description of what should be evidenced.2. The Biblical description required the following: A. A route towards Midian in Arabia in the region of Jethro, Moses's father in law. B. A route that would lead to entrapment, but large enough area to accomodate a large number of people at the shore of the crossing. C A route that would lead to an area where a pillar was erected. D A route that would lead to a mountain showing evidence of being burnt at some time. F. A route that would lead to a crossing where some evidence of chariot debris might be found. G. A route that would lead to a crossing which on the other side would be a split rock and evidence of a water flow from the rock. H. A route that perhaps would be evidence of bull worship inscriptions. I. A region where an oasis of water and greenery might be found some distant inland. We see "an amazing marker", a pillar........
Check. The corroborating evidence listed above lends support to the wheel and axle shaped formations in the most shallow area of the whole Red Sea, including the gulf. No?
Huntard, et al, scientist Lennart Moller takes the position that here's the evidence. Let the evidence speak for itself and let each decide for themselves about the evidence. That's how science works. Regardless of your assessment of the evidence, it is bonafide scientific evidence for evaluation, i.e. bonafide creation science. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
You do know that preaching or teaching Bible is forbidden in Saudi Arabia, Indonesia and other Muslim nations? quote:Source You are correct about Saudi Arabia, but I do not know of any other Muslim country that bans preaching or teaching of the bible. Please enlighten me. Your comment does not strengthen your argument. All it does is display your ignorance. Moses is a big thing in Islam. This can not be denied. So why would they prevent research into him? Please provide evidence that the Saudi's do not allow research into Moses. I have found a few websites by christians saying they have researched it in Saudi Arabia. Are they lying? Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Theodoric writes: So there was no such thing as coral before man made items fell into the ocean? Atlantis must be under the Great Barrier Reef. Theodoric, to be fair, your source is a blogger's statement. I cannot imagine a marine scientist making such a claim. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
Lennart Moller is a DNA researcher, a biologist, not an archaeologist.
Here is a good debunking of the good doctor.
quote:Debunk And what the hell is this idea that coral will not grow on gold? Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
The comment was to point out the idiocy of some of the arguments used to push this idea.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Theodoric writes: You are correct about Saudi Arabia, but I do not know of any other Muslim country that bans preaching or teaching of the bible. Please enlighten me. Your comment does not strengthen your argument. All it does is display your ignorance. Moses is a big thing in Islam. This can not be denied. So why would they prevent research into him? Please provide evidence that the Saudi's do not allow research into Moses. I have found a few websites by christians saying they have researched it in Saudi Arabia. Are they lying? Mohammed picked and chose whatever suited his desires what he wanted from the Bible, but I know of no Islamic nation which looks favorably on the Bible, including Indonesia where Biblical churches and people often are persecuted and have their churches attacked and destroyed. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Theodoric writes: The comment was to point out the idiocy of some of the arguments used to push this idea. This thread is about evidence. Your source served to obfuscate the evidence, leaving the impression to the reader that Moller et al were the idiots. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
in Message 46
You state You do know that preaching or teaching Bible is forbidden in Saudi Arabia, Indonesia and other Muslim nations? Now you say.
but I know of no Islamic nation which looks favorably on the Bible, including Indonesia where Biblical churches and people often are persecuted and have their churches attacked and destroyed. forbidden=not looked on favorably? Do you truly believe these say the same things? Or did you think the unsourced crap you threw out there would not be questioned? Buz,A bit of advice. You need to look at your sources critically. There are a lot of lies and misrepresentations on a lot of web sites. Christian fundie sites are among the worst. You should probably double check before you use any of them as a source. Also, you might want to consider giving sources for this bilge too. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
Your source served to obfuscate the evidence Please point out the obfuscation. If you are going to claim something back it up. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
I don't know about the details of the alleged gold veneered wheel. I tend to go with what Moller, the scientist concludes than Wyatt. Nevertheless, you can't just discard all of the other evidences on a few of the questionables, imo.
Your site states that coral are often wheel shaped. However, if you google up some coral reefs, you don't see scattered wheel shaped corals void of much else in the area of them as you see here. I viewed some reefs and saw nothing like what we have here, isolated formations on top of a sand bar in line with the corroborated path of the alleged Exodus. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Buz, I'm a professional archaeologist.
I don't do much of anything from photographs. I want to see the evidence first-hand, and to see what it really is. You can do mundane identifications from drawings and photographs--things we have thousands of in the collections. That is not a problem. But what you are doing is presenting flimsy evidence for major questions. That just doesn't fly. The larger or more unusual the claim, the more the evidence needs to match. You can "prove" you have an arrowhead from a drawing or a photograph. But "proving" you have a chariot wheel of a particular type and age requires some more detailed analyses. And "proving" that is the exact one mentioned in the bible requires even more detailed analyses and documentation. Can't you see that? Just because you might agree with something does not obviate the need for proper documentation. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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lyx2no Member (Idle past 4716 days) Posts: 1277 From: A vast, undifferentiated plane. Joined: |
But its the testimonial evidence of eye witnesses that convince me of their truthfulness. Eye witness testimony is about as bad as one can get in the evidence department. People are prone to erring and lying. Especially when they've a dog in the fight.
The fact that the bible is a book of truth, of reliable history, of accurate prophecy The Bible says π=3, twice. Your Bible is also a book of errors. The Bible reports a world engulfing floods 4350 years ago. Your Bible is also a book of speciousness. The Bible prophecies, "[T]here are some of those who are standing here who shall not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." Your Bible is also a book of vageries. Tell me, Peg, what is the next prophecy that will come to pass? An accurate prophecy surely would allow us to gain a useful knowledge of what is going to be before it happens. I'll prophecy that there will be a auto accident in Melbourne tomorrow. Hadn't you better get out and warn all your neighbors to be careful? It's certainly as accurate as any biblical prophecy. King Nebbercheckers of Peoria flew a magic unicorn to his home on Pluto. Which part of that statement is supported if we find out there really was a king of Peoria whose name had 14 letters in it, Peg? You are now a million miles away from where you were in space-time when you started reading this sentence.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 284 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
That has not been verified because the Saudi's do no allow access to it by researchers. It must be understood that any research in the region is risky and dangerous, given the Muslim Saudis have no desire to support the Biblical record relative to anything supportive to Israel and Jews. But the legend of Moses appears in the Quran. It is recounted at length in Sura 20, and again in Sura 26. I'm sure any Muslim would love to have a scrap of a shred of evidence for the myth of Moses, because it's their myth as much as it is yours.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 284 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
the only way they can be refuted is by sceptics claiming that it was written after the fact... or added in later Remember the book of Daniel... oh yeah! That was a complete forgery written in the 1st century LOL If the only way a prophecy can be disproved is by claiming that it was added in later, then i dont think your analysis passes the sniff test. Yeah. For example, here's an excerpt from the Book of Dr Adequate, which, as you can see from the text, was written in 1990.
And behold, in this year that is called 1990, Dr Adequate spake saying: Truly, I say unto you, in the reign of Bush who is son of Bush, even in the year 2001, in the month of September, then shall al-Qaeda smite at the Towers that are called Twin, and great shall be the lamentation of the people. Now, one of those silly skeptics would say that there's no evidence that the Book of Dr Adequate was composed in 1990, and that this fact suggests that what we have here is a case of vaticinia ex eventu.
You, on the other hand, know that that's no refutation of my self-proclaimed magical powers, and are therefore compelled to believe that I am a bona fide prophet.
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