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Taz
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Message 206 of 245 (550113)
03-12-2010 7:15 PM
Reply to: Message 200 by Percy
03-12-2010 4:44 PM


Re: Texas Rewrites History
Aren't these christians ashamed of what they are doing, rewriting history like this? I mean... what the hell happened to thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor? I'm sure half the founding fathers just rolled over in their graves.

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Taz
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Message 212 of 245 (550204)
03-13-2010 1:49 PM
Reply to: Message 211 by Buzsaw
03-12-2010 8:58 PM


Re: Mathmatics & Universe
I'm sorry, I'll get back to you after I've recovered...
Edit.
Ok, seeing how you've consistently shown to not really understand the nature of science and scientific inquiry, let me take this slowly. In science, one could argue that there is no absolute truth, something that you people seem to keep demanding. Unlike religionists, the scientific community doesn't claim to have a monopoly on truth.
What you can find in science is a body of knowledge, each individual part has its own varying degree of certainty. Some things have high degrees of certainty and some parts have low degrees of certainty.
The kicker is these degrees of certainty are ever changing. I would argue that the degree of certainty about gravity nowadays is several magnitudes higher than the degree of certainty about gravity 200 years ago.
Let's specifically look at the atom. It's model went through several modifications before it got to where it is now. At each step of the way, the degree of certainty for those models, from the greek model to the plum pudding to the borh to the nuclear, etc. Each step of the way, scientists took painstaking experiments and lots of facepalms to achieve a higher degree of certainty.
Please tell me you understand what I've said so far. Again, let me take baby steps. We'll get specifically to what you said about the singularity and all that good stuff.
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Taz
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Message 215 of 245 (550569)
03-16-2010 11:56 AM
Reply to: Message 212 by Taz
03-13-2010 1:49 PM


Re: Mathmatics & Universe
It's been a few days, so I'll just assume that you've read my post and understood what I was saying. So, let's take the next baby step.
In the real world, we are surrounded by many phenomena, most of which we can't explain by common sense alone. What scientists do is they try to come up with a model that best fit the observed phenomenon.
Let's take a look at one of the more famous cases in history. For centuries, the geocentric model was embraced by the church because it conformed to the teachings of the church about man being the center of god's creation. But many astronomers over the years noted discrepencies in their observations that the geocentric model couldn't explain. Some scientists began to try to come up with a new model to better explain the observations. The heliocentric much much better explained what astronomers for centuries had been pulling their hair out over.
When Copernicus, Kepler, Galileo, and other like minds tried to present their evidence for the heliocentric model to their peers, they were met with criticisms. Like what true scientists ought to be, criticisms were welcomed, but only criticisms that made sense. Instead, they were met with nonsensical criticisms that could be easily debunked by anyone in any time period. And most of the criticisms came from people who had never spent a day studying astronomy.
I remember Kepler noting that someone criticised the heliocentric model because if the Earth moved then why weren't things being blown all over the place.
We now realize that the sun isn't in the center of the universe. It's not even in the center of the solar system.
I'm sorry for explaining the basics like this, but I feel that only baby steps will bring us anywhere with you.

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Taz
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Posts: 5069
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Message 217 of 245 (550607)
03-16-2010 6:10 PM
Reply to: Message 216 by dwise1
03-16-2010 4:22 PM


Re: Lets talk values
dwise1 writes:
this is a particularly important subject since evangelicals have a divorce rate much higher than the general public.
This is a subject that has puzzled me for years now. It's not just the evangelicals that have a much higher divorce rate than everyone else, it's the conservative states that have much higher divorce rates than the more liberal states. It also puzzles me that the states that currently ban gay marriage also have the highest divorce rates in the country. And in contrast, the states that are most accepting of homosexuality, especially those that allow gay marriage, have the lowest divorce rates in the country.
You would think that it's the ones that are preaching morality and family values and all that good stuff should be the ones leading the example, not the other way around.

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Taz
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Posts: 5069
From: Zerus
Joined: 07-18-2006


Message 222 of 245 (550632)
03-16-2010 8:44 PM
Reply to: Message 221 by dwise1
03-16-2010 8:23 PM


Re: Lets talk values
dwise1 writes:
And, yes, I've long heard of young evangelicals engaging in that as well as in oral sex so that she could still claim to be a "virgin", albeit disingenuously.
This explains a lot of things I heard while in college. Now, not to brag about this fact, but I was one of the few evangelical fundies that actually kept my virginity until marriage. So, sex was more or less a mystery to me. To me, sex is sex no matter if it's vaginal, anal, oral, or whatever else that one can conjure up. Going through college, it always puzzled me why these christians I knew claimed to be virgins while admitting that they had previously engaged in oral and anal sex with other people. Hell, I had never even seen a girl naked in real life and there I was listening to these christian teens talking about their previous experiences with oral and anal sex and condemning homosexuality in the same conversation.
But anyway, thanks for the word "saddleback". Learn something new everyday.

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Taz
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From: Zerus
Joined: 07-18-2006


Message 226 of 245 (550744)
03-17-2010 9:57 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by Hyroglyphx
03-02-2010 9:30 AM


More recent example of how ALL communist manifestations in history resemble more like theocracies than anything else.
Portrait of Kim Jong-ils Son Ready for Public Distribution
quote:
Jong-un has emerged as a serious candidate, and indications have proven this to be true.
His birthday, which falls on Jan. 8, designated this year as one of North Korea's biggest holidays. Two other big holidays are Kim Il-sung's birthday and Kim Jong-il's birthday (Feb. 16), during which people get the day off.
quote:
Last month, the Radio Free Asia also reported the regime began to restrict the use of the name "Jong-un," instructing people with the same name to change it.
Does this sound familiar to anyone? Thou shalt not say god's name in vain...

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