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dronestar
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Message 53 of 218 (550685)
03-17-2010 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by Taq
03-17-2010 9:51 AM


Re: Guns don't make you safer.
From the very start colonists needed "protection" from indigenous populations,
There were more than one story of indian attacks. Many of my distant family were killed by indians making the move west.
Umm, something about your phrasing of words bothers me. But it SEEMS you might have it backwards:
If your/my/others ancestors didn't encroach/trespass/steal land from the indians, then maybe the indians wouldn't have attacked.
Thus, gun ownership would'n't have been AS important as you make it sound.

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dronestar
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Message 55 of 218 (550691)
03-17-2010 11:03 AM
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03-17-2010 10:53 AM


Re: Guns don't make you safer.
The quotes around protection were meant to imply sarcasm
I caught the quotes, but when you belabored the point in the second paragraph you belied the sarcasm. Which confused me.
If the early colonists were not armed there probably wouldn't be europeans here now.
Again, when you invade another territory/nation, it makes sense to bring weapons. That was the mentality of violent people who colonized the new world. I think we agree here, yes?

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dronestar
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Message 57 of 218 (550696)
03-17-2010 11:24 AM
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03-17-2010 11:09 AM


Re: Guns don't make you safer.
It may also explain why there is a different mentality between Europeans and Americans when it comes to guns.
Sorry, but perhaps I am a little dense this morning. I need you to expand your assertion . . .
Are you saying that the early American colonists who came from Europe were particularly more violent than other non-invading Europeans. And because they were ALREADY pre-disposed to violence, it then nurtured a violent american society?
Can we compare or contrast this notion to Australia? They were particularly settled by violent European criminals. What type of society does australia have now, compared to the USA? Is this a fair comparison?

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dronestar
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Message 59 of 218 (550703)
03-17-2010 12:40 PM
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03-17-2010 12:15 PM


Any Aussies out there?
Hey Taq,
I am not saying that the Europeans who came to America were more violent than those who stayed in Europe.
Hmm, but can this statement be supported? Because it SEEMS the contrary evidence that the reason America had a violent BEGINNING (and then a nurtured violent history) COULD be wholly explained via violent conquerring Europeans.
Your two points MIGHT ALSO be applied to Australian history, and thus MIGHT be helpful in supporting/disproving American love of guns/violence stems mainly from violent conquerring Europeans. The gun-control topic MAY BE/probably is more complex, but I find this particular angle interesting.
I am hardly an Australian historian, so it would be cool if an Australian or Australian history-buff could help.
Edited by dronester, : changed message title

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