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onifre
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Message 129 of 245 (549378)
03-06-2010 2:00 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by Hyroglyphx
03-06-2010 10:59 AM


Re: The Mindless Middle
To be anti-religious you have to be an atheist

Nonsense. You could be a deist or agnostic and be anti-religious.

- Oni


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onifre
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Message 130 of 245 (549379)
03-06-2010 2:11 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by Hyroglyphx
03-06-2010 12:23 PM


Re: Your premise is flawed
Atheism itself is a non-belief (at least it is supposed to be). However, for the anti-religious it is so much more.

First, there is no such thing as "non-belief," that is a made up term. It refers to nothing at all.

I live my life with the knowledge that if I drop something it will fall, not that a supernatural entity will suspend it in mid-air. That's what atheism is, nothing more nothing less.

And anti-religious people don't have to be atheist, they could be deist or agnostic. So your whole position is irrelevant.


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onifre
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Message 227 of 245 (550813)
03-18-2010 1:26 PM
Reply to: Message 226 by Taz
03-17-2010 9:57 PM


More recent example of how ALL communist manifestations in history resemble more like theocracies than anything else.

I wouldn't call the North Korean government(Juche socialist) communist in any way. It does resemble a theocracy, what with Kim Il-sung being declared Eternal President when he died, but it clearly is a facist movement.

- Oni


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onifre
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Message 233 of 245 (550836)
03-18-2010 4:23 PM
Reply to: Message 231 by Theodoric
03-18-2010 2:23 PM


If there was any hint of communism in the USSR it was in the very early days.

The same happened in Cuba. In it's very early days, the revolution may have resemble a commuinst movement. But as anyone who has studied cuban history knows, Castro did not want communism as the form of government for Cuba (according to those close to him).

As a student, Castro was a member of el Partido Orthodoxo, they aimed to:

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Its primary aims were the establishment of a distinct national identity, economic independence and the implementation of social reforms.

More so, Castro was a supporter of Gerardo Machado, Cuba's 5th president.

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[Machado] was finally toppled in the 1933 by US influence, Sumner Welles, Cuban War of Independence veterans, Army officers and civic leaders in a general strike.

When this happened, students(which Castro lead) and labor activist formed a revolution that lead to the eventual uprising of Castro. This is partly the reason Castro wanted nothing to do with the US, because he faulted them for not only getting involved in Cuban politics, but for aiding in the over throw of Machado.

Machado's vision, like that of Castro's, was:

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to make Cuba the "Switzerland of the Americas"

This is why everyone loved Castro in the early days. It was due to necessity that Castro joined the "self-proclaimed" communist party of Russia.

Curretly, Castro serves as First Secretary of the Communist Party of Cuba. A name that stuck, even though Cuba is far from being a communist state.

- Oni


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onifre
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Message 241 of 245 (560863)
05-17-2010 11:35 PM
Reply to: Message 239 by nwr
05-17-2010 8:41 PM


Re: The Mindless Middle
I won't further elaborate, nor provide references, for if I do then Straggler will only accuse me of namedropping.

Why do you care what Straggler will do? There are others reading these threads and frankly, some of us also find your position quite vague sometimes. If you don't elaborate or provide references you've done nothing.

I participate at evcforum because I enjoy thoughtful discussions where the parties to the discussion can learn from one another.

But this is a debate forum. People are here to debate the issues not discuss them aimlessly. There is a purpose here is there not?

After several failed attempts, I have to conclude that such thoughtful discussion is impossible between me and Straggler.

From what I've read exchanged between you two, it seems like he is trying to debate your position while you're not trying to make a point nor defend a point. He's aggressive while you're trying to be philosophical. He's not trying to have a thoughtful discussion, he's trying to prove you wrong.

I think you've misread his initial intent. Straggler seeks to destroy. lol

- Oni


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