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Author Topic:   How Dawkins made me a better person
Den
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Message 1 of 71 (551140)
03-21-2010 1:16 PM


Dear Mr Dawkins
My name is Jack Smart, I was a devout Catholic up to the time of reading the God Delusion and the Greatest show on Earth. Thanks to your books I am now an enlightened Bright (or Atheist as others now call me) who has accepted that there is no doubt that evolution is fact.
I am so grateful to you for making me come to realize the ridiculousness of my prior life, I was in fact living 2 lives, one life as nature intended and the other deluded part which I dedicated to a faith in Religion and I am now thanks to you able to lead a more natural and factual existence rather than following a silly faith, for example;
Now that I understand from your books that we humans evolved together with our emotions simply for the purpose of survival of the fittest you have made me finally realize the purpose of human life as per Darwin’s survival of the fittest, which is becoming the strongest person I can be physically and mentally and ensuring I successfully pass on and spread my genes as far as possible.
Previously during my silly Religious period I was limited to only having 2 children because of our financial situation. Thanks to your guidance I have worked out a way to be an even more successful person, simply hand your children over to an orphanage, then you are immediately relieved of the financial burden and bingo! You can then have more children!
I immediately took my 2 kids to the orphanage as soon as I finished reading the greatest show on Earth, my wife could not stop crying, which was a nuisance as I could not copulate with her for more than a week after we dumped our offspring at the orphanage. I explained to her that the sadness she felt dumping the children is just a primitive human chemical emotion which evolved to make us care for our children in tougher primitive times - to ensure our genes survived on, now that we have institutions that can care for our kids we don’t need to worry about them any more, dump and pump I say!
The best parts now of becoming an Atheist and evolution follower are the improvements in my work and social life, since from an evolutionary perspective adultery is not a flaw, it’s an attribute of success! For years I have been lusting over my secretary and now there’s no problem, we now have regular sex even though I’m married.
I really love weekends catching up with other married couples, our friends, though it’s getting a little frustrating, the other men’s wives are all frigid no matter how drunk I get them, but lately I’ve been looking at their single daughters too! I’m sure my best friends daughter Eve is ovulating by now, we were just at her sweet 16 birthday party and I’m so keen to get her pregnant it’s not funny, she’s so ripe. I can’t believe that lusting for someone at such a young age did not even occur to me during my Religious years, it’s just natural, you don’t see other animals getting judged by age, as soon as the female is sexually fertile ready she is copulated by the strongest most suitable male around. Age discrimination is just a silly unfair human rule when it comes copulation, its not fair to the children, especially those who sexually mature at a young age, they should have every chance of passing on their genes immediately and becoming a successful part of the greatest show on Earth!
Since I only have 2 children I’m worried that I’m not being successful enough, making more offspring is not happening as fast as I’d like, so I am now considering whether it’s wrong for a man to force himself onto a women? Its common in the animal world, why should it be wrong in the human world? We are animals too aren’t we?, why cant we follow the same rules as other animals?, it doesn’t seem fair, I want to be successful in the eyes of evolution too but all these stupid human rules Laws are in the way.
I wish you could make the laws Richard because I’m sure stupid laws like those that prohibit rape would be abolished under your wisdom, since they prevent the strongest men from passing on their genes as much as they could. Laws against rape are absolutely a crime against humanity; not allowing the strongest men to dominate the breeding is ruining the human gene pool, these laws are plainly immoral.
Anyhow thanks for your guidance and wisdom, I’m now undoubtedly both a brighter and better person thanks to you, I just wish all the Religious fools would wake up from their deluded, morally inferior world.
PS Great news, I just found out this morning my secretary is pregnant! I guess it’s a new definition for being successful at work! I can’t wait to tell my wife about my latest success!
Yours Sincerely
Jack Smart
Edited by Den, : No reason given.

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Den
Member (Idle past 5101 days)
Posts: 36
From: Australia
Joined: 03-21-2010


Message 9 of 71 (551221)
03-21-2010 11:41 PM


I didnt really think I would have to explain that this is a satire!
"Your attempt at satire does not work very well. That is, of course, unless the intention was for you to reveal how ignorant you are of the topic you address."
@nwr If you intend to make comments that accuse people of ignorance, you should probably create a case by providing examples or at least something which explains and backs your statement, otherwise you yourself a merely making an ignorant comment.
@ Dr Inadequate I believe my satire points out the obvious flaws in adopting the emptiness of Atheism and accepting Evolution as fact.
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Den
Member (Idle past 5101 days)
Posts: 36
From: Australia
Joined: 03-21-2010


Message 13 of 71 (551230)
03-22-2010 1:18 AM


Hi its Jack again
Last night I was phyically attacked by a couple of religious fanatics, simply because of my scientific beliefs!
We were having dinner with friends, and my friend Bob and Jane who just got married announced that they planned to have a baby. Well since I know Bob has Athsma and diabetes I explained to Jane that it is possible that Bob would pass his faulty genes onto their planned baby.
I told them as a friend that I would be happy to donate my healthy sperm as not only am I superiorly fitter than Bob, I am as an Athiest and Evolution believer also more intelligent, and that Bob should not be a selfish husband and allow his wife the opportunity to have the healthiest and most successful offsrping possible by using my sperm.
I did explain to them that there would be conditions, as I would not want to copulate with Jane as I did not find her attractive enough "shes fat" and that I would donate my sperm via test tube.
Imagine my shock when Bob lunged at me with his fists and Jane threw her glass of wine in my face! they physically attacked me for no reason! I had known that there were Religious, however I have the suspicion that they have become Muslims, I mean what else would explain such senseless violence?
I cant believe how ungreatful they are, I was trying to help them, I think this story just highlights how immoral Religion makes people and the moral superiority of science over Religion.
Edited by Den, : spelling
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Den
Member (Idle past 5101 days)
Posts: 36
From: Australia
Joined: 03-21-2010


Message 17 of 71 (551245)
03-22-2010 2:41 AM


quote:
slevesque writes:
Ok man. Seriously. You gotta stop this, there is nothing constructive in this ...
I say that as a fellow christian+creationist.
Thanks, slevesque. Your response is better than anything I could say about this particular poster and shows some real character and respect on your part.. I appreciate it very much.
Your attempts to silence me are not unusual, as a proud Athiest I am like other Athiests accustomed to Religious people trying to supress my views.
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OK seriously, Im having a joke here. I am not affilliated with any Religion nor am I Athiest, I might be labelled as agnostic by some. While the arguement continues I remain open to consider all possibilities, though I suspect the subjects and arguements have remained unresolved for so long simply because they are both wrong.
Edited by Den, : added final sentence

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Den
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Posts: 36
From: Australia
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Message 21 of 71 (551288)
03-22-2010 9:09 AM


Thanks for the responses everyone.
I wish the other satire I wrote wasnt locked, because I was wondering what would happen if all the churches closed overnight and the world became universally Atheist/evolution believers, obviously this would destroy the churches ability to do their immense scope of charitable work?
Obviously there would be a transitional period of uncalculable suffering before other groups could take over the churches presently run charitable initatives. I wanted to know would the Athiest movement "Brights" take over and manage all of these responisbilities? from soup kitchens to helping the homeless, orphaniges, providing funds for food and medical aid etc.

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Den
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Posts: 36
From: Australia
Joined: 03-21-2010


Message 30 of 71 (551323)
03-22-2010 11:37 AM


I think what I am saying is being taken out of context, Im looking at things from a practical sense. Im not religious, but I respect the work many religions do in order to help the needy.
It is irrellevant who does more - secular charities vs Religion, when the fact is that no-one is trying to destroy secular charities, on the other hand there is an Athiest movement attacking Religion with the ambition to reduce its membership and influence, prefferably irradicating it altogether. The fact is that religious groups donate billions of dollars a year with armies of unpaid volunteers dedicated to charitable causes, what happens if you turn that tap off?
even slowing the tap down will have a negative effect, so my point here is that should the Athiest movement which is trying to turn the tap off accept any responsibility for the consequences of this situation should it occur?
I mean every person that the athiest movement convinces to leave religion, makes one less person donating their time and money towards the charitable initiatives of the church, = less for charity.
Lets assume that all the people who leave the church commit the same donations to secular charities instead(unlikely, but a percentage probably would), what about the lost volunteers? time is just as important, this you cant get back once these people have turned Athiest. Athiesm does not have intiatives mobilising people to donate their time to charitable causes the last time I checked.
It really makes a case as to which party has moral superiority, while in judging individuals there may not be an arguement, but as an institution it is obvious as daylight as to who leads this race.

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Den
Member (Idle past 5101 days)
Posts: 36
From: Australia
Joined: 03-21-2010


Message 34 of 71 (551330)
03-22-2010 11:57 AM


quote:
BS
Your posts have shown that you are a christianist troll."
Oh you caught me, damn! So let me guess that your one of these people who labels anyone who challenges Atheism and Evolution as Religious? Grow up kid,
Check any statistics over 30% of the worlds charity money flows through the hands of Religious organisations, its a big thing to replace if you bring it down. It seems Athiests have not considered that, yeah just pass it all onto one of the secular charities, I'm sure its just that simple.
quote:
Let's see on the religious side we have:
* Institutional cover ups of sexual abuse of children
* The promotion of bigotry against homosexuals
* The promotion of inequality of the sexes
* The deaths of millions due to the rejection of effective means of safe sex
* The supression of women's reproductive rights
* The promotion of sexual repression
Yeah, the religious institutions sure have that moral high ground.
I think if you looked into any instution you will find a percentage of corruption, from police, political parties to schools, should we close all them down too? Why dont we close down all political parties, I mean they are the ones who legislated everything from racism, to slavery to genocide, and there the ones who start wars these days. Lets just have one big Athiest Anarchy!
P.S. I hate condoms, putting them on has almost made me think about becoming a Christian in the past! thank God for the pill, O.K. I will thank science for it.
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Den
Member (Idle past 5101 days)
Posts: 36
From: Australia
Joined: 03-21-2010


Message 38 of 71 (551335)
03-22-2010 12:13 PM


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Why would it be turned off if these people become atheists? Are you saying the only reason they help people is because they believe in a god? So they don't help people because they want to help people? That makes them pretty big assholes in my book.
Look kid, from your answers I know you have never run a business before, I run 3. You cant just get billions of people to change habits so quick, its not about morals, its all about timing and logistics. If people stop going to church and putting money in the tin then some charity has got to spend time and money getting in front of these people to squeeze the money out of them, people dont just blindly throw their money around so easy.
You actually think the person who goes to church and puts $5 bucks in the plate is gonna go out of their way to make the same donation to someone else? someone else has gotta squeeze them.
Your obviously are just thinking from your heart, not your head.

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Den
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Posts: 36
From: Australia
Joined: 03-21-2010


Message 40 of 71 (551338)
03-22-2010 12:22 PM


Wow theodirdic, not only do your words express your moral superiority, I see Atheism has taught you good manners too!
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Den
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Posts: 36
From: Australia
Joined: 03-21-2010


Message 62 of 71 (551563)
03-23-2010 4:16 AM


Im looking at this issue from a practical sense not a logical one,
People here claim 30% is not alot, thats around 1 in 3 people who are dependant on charity could possibly find themselves without help if you abolished all the church funded charities.
Yes some money goes to running the churches, but secular charities have high administration and operating costs too.
In fact there are many secular charities exposed as fraudulent regularly or with rediculous operating costs, some as much as 95% used up on admin expenses. Secular charities are regularly exposed as being wasteful. I watched one documentary which exposed Unicef in Vietnam, charity staff living in resort style luxury and multi million dollar car fleets sitting idle while homeless single mothers where found begging on the same street.
It would be interesting to find the statistics to show who is more efficient at administering the money, churches vs secular charities.
Im happy for my views to be called idiotic if you can provide supporting evidence, but all I see here is just a bunch of assumptions and childish name calling.
Cheers
Den

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