Can survival of the fittest accomodate morals?

When you say "positive natural process" you're assuming a sense of good and bad that does not exist in science. What in the world leads you to ask why science tells people they shouldn't commit rape and murder? It isn't science that says this but society. You're barking up the wrong tree. Animals don't have the cognitive horsepower to have a moral code.And humans have different moral codes at different times in different societies in different places. There's no universal moral code. For example, in some societies it's immoral for a woman to show her face in public.And regardless of any moral codes, some people rape, some animals rape. Some people murder, some animals murder. I'm not seeing a big difference.--Percy

I noted the contradiction myself when I first read that message, and I think Dr Adequate has accurately captured your views. I didn't reply to your message because so far with you it's been, "So many mistakes, so little time." One has to carefully pick and choose else there'd be no time to eat or sleep.But if we've misunderstood you then please just clarify. Is murder and rape in nature immoral and not to be imitated by man? Or is murder and rape in nature just another perfect part of God's perfect creation, and hence to be admired and (gasp!) aped? --Percy