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Modulous
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Message 19 of 71 (551270)
03-22-2010 7:54 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Den
03-21-2010 1:16 PM


Richard et al replies
I am so grateful to you for making me come to realize the ridiculousness of my prior life, I was in fact living 2 lives, one life as nature intended and the other deluded part which I dedicated to a faith in Religion and I am now thanks to you able to lead a more natural and factual existence rather than following a silly faith, for example;
Though you still have hangups. You talk like nature has intentions and that having false beliefs isn't natural
Now that I understand from your books that we humans evolved together with our emotions simply for the purpose of survival of the fittest you have made me finally realize the purpose of human life as per Darwin’s survival of the fittest, which is becoming the strongest person I can be physically and mentally and ensuring I successfully pass on and spread my genes as far as possible.
Maybe you should read them again. Pick up The Selfish Gene. You are not compelled to become the strongest physical and mental person you can be. Your ancestors are marked in that they have all successfully reproduced. Those relations of your ancestors that didn't aren't here anymore. Some of that might be because of luck. Some of that might be down to having, on average, inherited the right suite of genes.
Previously during my silly Religious period I was limited to only having 2 children because of our financial situation. Thanks to your guidance I have worked out a way to be an even more successful person, simply hand your children over to an orphanage, then you are immediately relieved of the financial burden and bingo! You can then have more children!
Yes, dividing child care amongst the community is a valid strategy. Some species have specialised child carer castes even! Still - as with many strategies there are potential ways to exploit it and it might not be therefore evolutionarily stable. As with cheaters, a counter-strategy is required: In this case if you are seen to not be pulling your weight (ie., making the community work harder at raising your kids than you are putting back into the community) you will probably start to lose friends and allies. This might impact on your financially or socially which might result in a net reduction in reproductive fitness.
This is especially true if we look at the current types of free communal child care system in place over the world. The best ones are extended family. But is it better to have 30 kids in 'care' under 1 adult and each other. Or to have two kids being looked after by two parents plus extended family, siblings etc? I think the latter, to be perfectly honest, if you want to convince me otherwise you'll have to do the maths.
If it turned out it was better for our children to be cared for in large groups by specialist carers rather than by family, I would think that is the way we should do it. Some people would naturally deny the evidence because it makes them feel uncomfortable.
I immediately took my 2 kids to the orphanage as soon as I finished reading the greatest show on Earth, my wife could not stop crying, which was a nuisance as I could not copulate with her for more than a week after we dumped our offspring at the orphanage. I explained to her that the sadness she felt dumping the children is just a primitive human chemical emotion which evolved to make us care for our children in tougher primitive times - to ensure our genes survived on, now that we have institutions that can care for our kids we don’t need to worry about them any more, dump and pump I say!
Yeah - realistic wives would probably withhold reproductive privileges longer than a week if you gave their children to an outgroup to be cared for. Which is perfectly consistent with the evolutionary context the Great Apes have gone through.
The best parts now of becoming an Atheist and evolution follower are the improvements in my work and social life, since from an evolutionary perspective adultery is not a flaw, it’s an attribute of success! For years I have been lusting over my secretary and now there’s no problem, we now have regular sex even though I’m married.
It's only not a problem as long as:
1. Your wife remains good with it.
2. Your secretary remains good with it
If your wife is ignorant of things then you do have a problem. You have to keep a secret from another human. Humans are very good at detecting deception. Not, it turns out, on an individual case by case basis, but give them a pattern of deception (even if it is just a coincidence) and the suspicions will begin, and once the suspicions start, you are in a lot of trouble (especially if they are particularly deceptive about their suspicions). Then you may end up with no sexual partner, and a reputation for not being trusted.
I really love weekends catching up with other married couples, our friends, though it’s getting a little frustrating, the other men’s wives are all frigid no matter how drunk I get them, but lately I’ve been looking at their single daughters too! I’m sure my best friends daughter Eve is ovulating by now, we were just at her sweet 16 birthday party and I’m so keen to get her pregnant it’s not funny, she’s so ripe. I can’t believe that lusting for someone at such a young age did not even occur to me during my Religious years, it’s just natural, you don’t see other animals getting judged by age, as soon as the female is sexually fertile ready she is copulated by the strongest most suitable male around. Age discrimination is just a silly unfair human rule when it comes copulation, its not fair to the children, especially those who sexually mature at a young age, they should have every chance of passing on their genes immediately and becoming a successful part of the greatest show on Earth!
You come from a Roman Catholic background and it never occurred to you to have sex with teenagers despite the fact that you voice a sexual desire to do so? Odd. Maybe you should go back and read the Holy Bible again. Isaac married Rebecca when she was at most 14. Some people think Rebecca was actually only 3 at the time of marriage. Religious justifications for marrying teenagers are rampant throughout history and I'm surprised you missed it.
But I agree - the strange HIGHLY MODERN cultural norm of partnering up with someone of similar age and definitely not going below 16/18/21 is biologically weird. But then, living to 85 is biologically weird too and I'm happy with that state of affairs.
Since I only have 2 children I’m worried that I’m not being successful enough, making more offspring is not happening as fast as I’d like, so I am now considering whether it’s wrong for a man to force himself onto a women? Its common in the animal world, why should it be wrong in the human world? We are animals too aren’t we?, why cant we follow the same rules as other animals?, it doesn’t seem fair, I want to be successful in the eyes of evolution too but all these stupid human rules Laws are in the way.
What do you mean by 'wrong'? Without defining that you are stuck. If you are going to define 'wrong' in terms of what other animals do, you are going to be committing some very questionable acts.
And why the arbitrary 'animal kingdom' what's wrong with getting morality from plants?
Anyway - you can try engaging in mass rape and seeing how that works out for your reproductive success. You may find that social animals want to defend their sexual resources and the investments they have made and it is in their interests to dissuade cheaters. Those human laws are just the interests of society not just each individual. This occurs in the animal world too. There are some animal structures in which only one male in the group has mating rights for example. Thus any other male engaging in sex with a female would be 'wrong' and would be punished by the group (stupid Walrus laws, they might think to themselves).
I wish you could make the laws Richard because I’m sure stupid laws like those that prohibit rape would be abolished under your wisdom, since they prevent the strongest men from passing on their genes as much as they could. Laws against rape are absolutely a crime against humanity; not allowing the strongest men to dominate the breeding is ruining the human gene pool, these laws are plainly immoral.
If you had read any of Richard's words you would know that his position is that we should try to avoid to live in a raw Darwinian society. You would find then, that Richard would not enact the depraved child raping promiscuous rape 'n' murder fest that you seem so keen on.
Anyhow thanks for your guidance and wisdom, I’m now undoubtedly both a brighter and better person thanks to you, I just wish all the Religious fools would wake up from their deluded, morally inferior world.
I, and Richard believes that things that seem to be a rational benefit to society, despite it's possible immediate negative impact on the self are morally correct because it makes society better to live in which is where we live which is desired.
The religious believe that something is right if a powerful enough person says it is.
PS Great news, I just found out this morning my secretary is pregnant! I guess it’s a new definition for being successful at work! I can’t wait to tell my wife about my latest success!
Yours Sincerely
Jack Smart
Hopefully she will understand. Sarah understood when Abraham slept around, and King David would, I'm sure, be proud.

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Modulous
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Message 27 of 71 (551300)
03-22-2010 9:37 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by Den
03-22-2010 9:09 AM


Obviously there would be a transitional period of uncalculable suffering before other groups could take over the churches presently run charitable initatives. I wanted to know would the Athiest movement "Brights" take over and manage all of these responisbilities?
The Brights wouldn't. They'd be smart enough to leave it to the secular charities that are already established experts in charitable aid and who many Brights and atheists and agnostics and Christians and Muslims and Marxists and Capitalists already donate to.

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