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New Cat's Eye
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Message 22 of 94 (551043)
03-20-2010 1:47 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Percy
03-20-2010 1:04 PM


Re: wild claims -- Not!
I found this:
Drought During California's Mission Period, 1769-1834
Drought During California's Mission Period, 1769-1834
Coyote wrote:
quote:
The Franciscan missionaries built 20+ missions along the California coast to save souls.
During the mission era (1769-1834) the death rate in that mission zone was on the close order of 90%.
But they saved their souls...
Is he actually implying that the missionaries caused the deaths or just noting the correlation?

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 25 of 94 (551056)
03-20-2010 2:19 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by anglagard
03-20-2010 2:09 PM


Re: wild claims -- Not!
Whether or not the mortality rate was direct from murder and enslavement, or indirect through destruction of culture and disease, it is the contact that caused the vast majority of deaths.
California has always had periods of drought, the effects of which are greatly magnified through the recent population explosion. Are you suggesting that periods of drought, affecting a much smaller amount of people, is the sole or even major cause of the decline in the Indian population?
I don't know what caused them to die. I don't think that the drought was the sole or even major cuase, but it certainly would have exacerbated any other causes. It was prolly a lot of disease. I doubt that the missionaries intended to cause all the death, and I doubt they would have been out there mudering them. But honestly, I don't know much of anything about it.
I just googled a bit and found that article, then re-read Coyote's statement, and he didn't actually say that the missionaries caused it.
It looked to me like he was doing a little trolling and Ichi fell for it hook, line, and sinker.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 42 of 94 (551426)
03-22-2010 5:47 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by Dr Adequate
03-22-2010 5:42 PM


Re: Buzsaw Position: Jehovah vs Allah
Why should he? Can you tell me the middle name of the Holy Ghost?
I think its Freakin'

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 80 of 94 (551603)
03-23-2010 10:24 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by Buzsaw
03-22-2010 9:20 PM


Re: WARNING, FRIENDS! :
Catholic Scientist writes:
I think its Freakin'
Careful there, friend! Jesus warned:
Matthew 12:31,
"Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men."
I'll be fine, Buz. Cracking a joke is not blasphemy. But thanks for the concern.
In Matt 12, after Jesus cast out a devil, the pharisees said that he did it by Beelzebub (rather than the Holy Spirit). Jesus rebutted by explaining that the devil wouldn't cast out a devil, and warned them against blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Its not like Jesus was warning them about taking the Holy Spirit's name in vain.
Blaspheming the Holy Spirit is denying it when its there, or conversely, saying its there when it isn't. Like a televangelist acting like he's healed someone by its power when he's just playing a trick.
God isn't going to damn me for a joke on an internet forum.

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Message 82 of 94 (551658)
03-23-2010 2:41 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by cavediver
03-23-2010 2:37 PM


Re: WARNING, FRIENDS! :
Oh, you are so wrong C.S.
ABE: Bugger, how do I hide that damn avatar?
Nice try
Under your Profile, at the very bottom, is the option:
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