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Granny Magda
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Message 46 of 94 (551484)
03-22-2010 9:55 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by Buzsaw
03-22-2010 9:20 PM


Re: WARNING, FRIENDS! :
Hi Buz,
quote:
"Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men."
Also see Mark 3:29 (KJV);
quote:
But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.
And you're fine with that. Really? Really really? Would you really be cool with seeing this kid end up in Hell? Really?
Eternal damnation seems pretty harsh for the posting of one smart-ass Youtube video.
Mutate and Survive

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AZPaul3
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Message 47 of 94 (551486)
03-22-2010 10:15 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by Buzsaw
03-22-2010 9:20 PM


Danger, Will Robinson, Danger!
... blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
Your christian intolerance is showing again.
Since your religion means nothing do you really think a charge of blasphemy holds any sway?
Since in this secular society you christians cannot burn us and eat us as you would want do you really think any of us care what blasphemies you and your gods define?
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

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bluescat48
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Message 48 of 94 (551487)
03-22-2010 10:26 PM
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03-22-2010 9:20 PM


Re: WARNING, FRIENDS! :
What I want to know is, how can one blaspheme something that does not exist?

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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Message 49 of 94 (551490)
03-22-2010 11:08 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Granny Magda
03-22-2010 9:55 PM


Re: WARNING, FRIENDS! :
Granny Magda writes:
And you're fine with that. Really? Really really? Would you really be cool with seeing this kid end up in Hell? Really?
Granny, do you think I would have posted the warning if I wanted anything to happen to anyone? After I posted, I offered up a silent prayer to God in the name of Jesus on behalf of the blasphemers, that God would be merciful to them.
The reason I posted the warning is because I believe in my soul and mind that Jehovah, Jesus and the mighty Holy Spirit exist and that what they say is to be taken seriously.
Jesus, in John 3 said he was not willing that any would perish, but that all would come to repentance. That's my attitude regarding you people as well. I felt compelled to post the warning, for failing to do so could be equated to silently watching a blind man walk over a precipice.
If I didn't believe the warning scripture or if I wished any evil upon anyone I would not have bothered to post the warning verse.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 50 of 94 (551495)
03-22-2010 11:22 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by AZPaul3
03-22-2010 10:15 PM


Re: Danger, Will Robinson, Danger!
AZPaul3 writes:
Since your religion means nothing do you really think a charge of blasphemy holds any sway?
Since in this secular society you christians cannot burn us and eat us as you would want do you really think any of us care what blasphemies you and your gods define?
Paul, hell and judgement and condemnation belong to God. I have neither judged or condemned anyone nor have I defined blasphemy. That belongs to the dictionary.
Free Online Dictionary: blasphemy:
a. A contemptuous or profane act, utterance, or writing concerning God or a sacred entity.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Coyote
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Message 51 of 94 (551499)
03-22-2010 11:25 PM
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03-22-2010 9:20 PM


Re: WARNING, FRIENDS! :
"Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men."
Of all the strange "crimes" that human beings have legislated of nothing, "blasphemy" is the most amazing - with "obscenity" and "indecent exposure" fighting it out for the second and third place.
Robert A. Heinlein, Time Enough for Love, 1973

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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subbie
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Message 52 of 94 (551500)
03-22-2010 11:26 PM
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03-22-2010 9:20 PM


Re: WARNING, FRIENDS! :
You're going to have to do a lot of explaining to reconcile this:
"Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men."
with the idea of a loving god of mercy.
I don't know if you have kids or not. I have a son. I wouldn't condemn him to an eternity of suffering for anything. I couldn't. I love him, and to me the very concept of love is irreconcilably at odds with an eternity of suffering. There are a great many things my son could do that would sadden me profoundly, and perhaps he could even do something that I would find unforgivable (although nothing comes to mind right now), but I can't think of a thing that would make me wish upon him eternal suffering, much less compel me to impose it upon him.
That you, or anyone, can believe in a perfectly merciful, loving god who would do such a thing is incomprehensible to me.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson
For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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DrJones*
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Message 53 of 94 (551501)
03-22-2010 11:26 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by Buzsaw
03-22-2010 11:22 PM


Re: Danger, Will Robinson, Danger!
a. A contemptuous or profane act, utterance, or writing concerning God or a sacred entity.
So you blaspheme everytime you deny the glory of Allah.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry

Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Granny Magda
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Message 54 of 94 (551504)
03-22-2010 11:36 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by Buzsaw
03-22-2010 11:08 PM


Re: WARNING, FRIENDS! :
Buz,
Granny, do you think I would have posted the warning if I wanted anything to happen to anyone?
I know you don't want it to happen, that's not the point. What worries me is that you believe it and yet you still worship the sick and evil monster who would condemn that poor kid to eternal damnation.
He seemed like a nice kid. It's a shame God can't be less of an ass about this.
Mutate and Survive

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AZPaul3
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Message 55 of 94 (551507)
03-22-2010 11:46 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by Buzsaw
03-22-2010 11:22 PM


Re: Danger, Will Robinson, Danger!
Paul, hell and judgement and condemnation belong to God. I have neither judged or condemned anyone nor have I defined blasphemy.
Thus I ask again.
quote:
Since in this secular society you christians cannot burn us and eat us as you would want do you really think any of us care what blasphemies you and your gods define?

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lyx2no
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Message 56 of 94 (551509)
03-22-2010 11:54 PM
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03-22-2010 9:20 PM


Re: WARNING, FRIENDS! :
If ya'l thought I was a jerk before, now that I know that I've no chance at redemption I'm cutting loose with Den. Gonna' marry me some animals against their will.

You are now a million miles away from where you were in space-time when you started reading this sentence.

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Buzsaw
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Message 57 of 94 (551511)
03-22-2010 11:54 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by Dr Adequate
03-22-2010 5:42 PM


Re: Buzsaw Position: Jehovah vs Allah
Dr Adequate writes:
There just isn't one. He's God. From a Muslim point of view it would be positively blasphemous to speculate about God as having a proper name such as "James" or "Caroline" or "Edward". There are various things that you can call God, such as "The Merciful One", or "The Compassionate One", or just "God" --- but he doesn't have a personal name as such.
Why then, in order to become a Muslim one must declare that Allah is god and Muhammed is his prophet?
Allah is the only known or acknowledged proper name of the Muslim god where as the generic term, "god" is the adjective defining what/who Allah is.
In a sense, Allah could be somewhat like the Greek unknown god, spoken of by the apostle Paul in the NT.
Some folks here have been trying to show that Muhammed regarded the Bible well. I maintain that he hijacked what suited his fancy from the Bible so as to gain legitimacy and win converts. If he regarded the Bible well, he would have acknowledged the proper name, Jehovah/Yaweh.
The Jews in the later centuries when they weren't following Jehovah closely had this similar superstition about speaking the name, though, unlike Muhammed they acknowledged that Jehovah/Yahweh was his name. Perhaps that had some influence on Muhammed.
I would be fearful for my life if I preached or taught Jehovah in Saudi Arabia and some other Muslim theocratic nations.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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DrJones*
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Message 58 of 94 (551513)
03-22-2010 11:58 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by Buzsaw
03-22-2010 11:54 PM


Re: Buzsaw Position: Jehovah vs Allah
Some folks here have been trying to show that Muhammed regarded the Bible well. I maintain that he hijacked what suited his fancy from the Bible so as to gain legitimacy and win converts
There you go with your blasphemy again.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry

Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Granny Magda
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Message 59 of 94 (551514)
03-23-2010 12:01 AM
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03-22-2010 11:54 PM


Re: Buzsaw Position: Jehovah vs Allah
Buz writes:
I maintain that he hijacked what suited his fancy from the Bible so as to gain legitimacy and win converts.
Yes, God forbid that one Abrahamic faith should hijack the teachings of an earlier Abrahamic faith, that would dreadful...
Mutate and Survive

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Buzsaw
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Message 60 of 94 (551515)
03-23-2010 12:05 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by Granny Magda
03-22-2010 11:36 PM


Re: WARNING, FRIENDS! :
Granny writes:
I know you don't want it to happen, that's not the point. What worries me is that you believe it and yet you still worship the sick and evil monster who would condemn that poor kid to eternal damnation.
It's the evidence, Granny; the corroborated evidence. I know it to be compelling.
King Solomon, declared to be the wisest living man ever implied as much when he said:
Proverbs 1:7
The fear of Jehovah is the beginning of knowledge;........

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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