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Dr Adequate
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Message 10 of 30 (550839)
03-18-2010 5:26 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by slevesque
03-18-2010 4:18 PM


If I say God created the sun, does it become omphalism because it takes a billion years for a hydrogen cloud to collapse and become a sun ?
Well, there are some things that God would have been obliged to do if he wanted a universe that worked from day one. Obviously creating the sun would have been one of those things, because life on earth would be impossible without it. Similarly he'd have needed to make the sea salt, or he'd have nowhere to keep all the salt-water fish; and he'd have needed to make soil without waiting for sub-aerial weathering to take place, or the plants would have had nowhere to grow.
So much we can grant. But you slip into omphalism when you start supposing that he could have gratuitously made the universe look old for no apparent reason except to screw with scientists.
Raffiniert ist der Herr Gott, aber boshaft ist er nicht.

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Message 12 of 30 (550868)
03-18-2010 11:06 PM
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03-18-2010 6:42 PM


It's more usually translated as "God is subtle, but he is not malicious".

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Message 17 of 30 (551559)
03-23-2010 3:02 AM
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03-23-2010 1:56 AM


So is there any clear line to be drawn ? I mean, you are the ones who are gonna tag such and such a statement as either omphalism or not, and so you should have at least some criteria's as to why some thing would be or not be.
I think I've drawn the line.
If God necessarily had to give the Earth certain appearances of age when he magicked it into being, then you're OK.
But when you have to suppose that God might have gratuitously given the Earth an appearance of age, and species the appearance of evolution, for no apparent reason except to screw with scientists, then that's omphalism.

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