Camel's Noses, Trojan Horses, and Cultural Aggression

Buz doesn't listen, he preaches. He sees his time here as witnessing for the Lord. Misinformation flows out, no information flows in.--Percy

What say you, Jonsey? Does the Islamic god have a proper name?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

I understand that. My point was that ignorance of the prophecies of their own Biblical scriptures is the reason that they think that way.Muhammed's misaplication of Biblical scripture such as the denial of Jesus as God's son, etc is the way he hijacked those scriptures for the growth of his religion.Granny, does Islam's god have a proper name?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

As others have told you no He does not. Thats one of the things the christians got wrong.

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It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

I'll be fine, Buz. Cracking a joke is not blasphemy. But thanks for the concern.In Matt 12, after Jesus cast out a devil, the pharisees said that he did it by Beelzebub (rather than the Holy Spirit). Jesus rebutted by explaining that the devil wouldn't cast out a devil, and warned them against blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Its not like Jesus was warning them about taking the Holy Spirit's name in vain.Blaspheming the Holy Spirit is denying it when its there, or conversely, saying its there when it isn't. Like a televangelist acting like he's healed someone by its power when he's just playing a trick.God isn't going to damn me for a joke on an internet forum.

Oh, you are so wrong C.S.ABE: Bugger, how do I hide that damn avatar?Edited by G-d, : No reason given.

Nice try Under your Profile, at the very bottom, is the option:Enable Avatar Display? O Yes O No

In reality your God's proper name is not Jehovah. Jehovah is an English corruption of the German Spelling of the Hebrew YHWH. Whether he is called Jehovah, Yahweh or Allah it is the same entity, the God of Abraham. Why else are Judaism, Christianity & Islam all called Abrahamic Religions?Edited by bluescat48, : typoos

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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

Whether you recognize the rendition of "J" in modern English, Jehovah represents the Hebrew "YHWH/Yahweh." Allah represents elohim in Hebrew which is the generic word for "god," which can apply to any god. That is not the case with YHWH/Yaweh/Jehovah which applies exclusively to the Biblical god.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

So when your bible says "Then God said let there be light!" it could have been referring to Brahman?Does this mean each place in your bible where "God" is used is referring to a panoply of different deities in each use?Are you a polytheist now?Interesting.

Paul3, I see you need a little grammer lesson here from the old man.Jehovah is the Biblical god. Jehovah is not the Islamic god. The consensus among my counterparts (abe: appears to be) that the Islamic god has no name.Though elohim/god is a generic word, always, context depicts which god. The same goes for your dad, for example. He has a proper name but dad or man is not his proper name. If you said, "dad is a machinist," or "that man was my dad," you never spoke your dad's proper name. The context of your statement indicated that the generic words man and dad referred to Robert Smith, or whatever your dads proper name is. The same would apply to the generic word, god which could apply to a carved pagan idol or Jehovah. Savvy? Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Then explain how a person who has no knowledge of your Jehovah, would know who he is reading about, when he reads any of the following? How does he know which "God," God refers to?

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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

Bluescat, the god of Genesis is assumed to be the god of the Bible, as distinguished from other gods, regardless of the proper name. If the reader is interested enough to learn the name of the Biblical god, all one need do is ask someone or do a little research.One reason there is so much misunderstanding about this is that the Jews of the last few centuries BC had a superstition that the YHWH/Yahweh, god's name was not to be spoken or written, contrary to the fact that Jehovah forbade the scribes to alter any scripture. Unfortunately the majority of translators have carried this superstition and they foolishly changed YHWH/Jehovah to Adonai/lord/master in the majority of 6000 plus times that the proper name, YHWH exists in the early manuscripts from which the translations were taken. There are a few scriptures in the major translations which do use the YHWH proper name, so one can know by reading the Bible what the Biblical god's name is. I use the ASV; 1901 American Standard Version which correctly uses Jehovah everywhere it exists in the manuscripts. The Koran never uses or refers to any name but Allah.Before Obama's Quranish family learned about Christianity and some Biblical stuff, Allah had no connection with the Bible in view of this god's worshippers, but there is some indication that it referred to the moon god; thus the crescent moon symbol in the Muslim world.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Yes in all the Yahvist writings. Most of the Priestly writings uses God.

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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

I think you were right the first time, Buz. When your bible refers to God it can refer to any number of deities.Since Genesis was written or re-written, depending upon whether we are talking of Genesis 2 or Genesis 1, during the exile in Babylon we can assume the overarching culture of the time had a major influence on the order and powers of the various gods within the text.Since Anu was the chief god of Babylon, god of the highest heaven, his invocation would, of course, be the most prominent and thus placed first. Following then would most probably be the major designing or area gods such as Anshar (god of the heavens), Kishar (god of earth), Shamash (sun and justice), Enlil (weather and storms) and on and on.So, under your new scheme of things Buz we would have: In the beginning God (Anu) created the heaven and the earth.

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And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was
upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God (Anshar) moved upon
the face of the waters.

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And God (Kishar) said, Let there be light: and there was light.

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And God (Shamash) saw the light, that it was good: and God (Enlil) divided the
light from the darkness.How far do we have to go before the Brahman is evoked? Would Jupiter be a separate invocation from Zeus or would the one cover the other. Zeus first in either case, of course.I think you have really hit on something here, Buz.Oh, and by the way, Buz ol' bean, the crescent moon is definitely not a moslem accepted symbol for Islam.During the rise of the Ottoman Empire. The Caliph Osman (emperor to you westerners), after his conquest of Constantinople in 1453, had a dream of a crescent moon stretching from one end of the earth to the other. He adopted it as the symbol of his dynasty. Islam has no symbol and moslems reject the crescent moon with or without star as an Islamic symbol.It is strictly a European christian invention of the period since the Ottoman Empire was almost exclusively Islamic and thus the enemy of one of your gods (whichever one you want to invoke this round). As usual with christians the facts of the situation meant, and apparently still mean, nothing.And before you go get all apoplectic, the use of the symbol on various modern flags is an Ottoman influence, not an Islamic one. After all, the remnants of the Ottomans did not fade away until just after WWI.Edited by AZPaul3, : corrections.Edited by AZPaul3, : spelinEdited by AZPaul3, : Let's just say more edits and let it go at that.Edited by AZPaul3, : Don't ask.