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Topic: Health care reform almost at the finish line... correction: it's finished
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hooah212002
Member (Idle past 823 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: 08-12-2009
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Re: Somethign a bit more personal.
Can you guarantee that said person would never ever ever use medical services? If this person never ever ever in his/her entire life used any form of medical services, you may have a point.
"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan "Show me where Christ said "Love thy fellow man, except for the gay ones." Gay people, too, are made in my God's image. I would never worship a homophobic God." -Desmond Tutu
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hooah212002
Member (Idle past 823 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: 08-12-2009
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Message 132 of 174 (551644)
03-23-2010 1:50 PM
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Reply to: Message 131 by Rahvin
03-23-2010 1:47 PM
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Re: Somethign a bit more personal.
Honestly though - you only pay a fee for not having health insurance if you make more than over $40,000 per year and still choose not to sign up. Below that, you get government subsidies to pay for insurance - and if you're really poor, they just stick you on Medicare. Even if you're making over $40k and choose not to buy insurance, you'll pay 2% of your income ($800 at $40k per year) in taxes as a penalty. That's honestly not too bad, but should work as an incentive to find insurance and get something for that money instead of just handing it over. If that's the case and I can't get assistance (I make 45k/yr) and premiums don't go down......I'm still fucked.
"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan "Show me where Christ said "Love thy fellow man, except for the gay ones." Gay people, too, are made in my God's image. I would never worship a homophobic God." -Desmond Tutu
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hooah212002
Member (Idle past 823 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: 08-12-2009
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Message 135 of 174 (551651)
03-23-2010 2:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 134 by Rahvin
03-23-2010 2:00 PM
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Re: Somethign a bit more personal.
It really depends on the state-level insurance pools. If they work as intended, you should get much more reasonable rates for your insurance, with the purchasing power of a large group instead of working as an individual. Hopefully. Except that, as I mentioned above, idiots up top in Wisconsin are fighting tooth and nail to not have to acknowledge the bill.
"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan "Show me where Christ said "Love thy fellow man, except for the gay ones." Gay people, too, are made in my God's image. I would never worship a homophobic God." -Desmond Tutu
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hooah212002
Member (Idle past 823 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: 08-12-2009
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Message 145 of 174 (551902)
03-25-2010 5:21 AM
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Not so fast......
"After hours of trying to find a way to block this, they (Republicans) found two relatively minor provisions that are violations of Senate procedure which means we're going to have to send it back to the House," Jim Manley, spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, told AFP. Late nights in Washington, the right decided to actually read the bill. .....AFTER it's passed.
"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan "Show me where Christ said "Love thy fellow man, except for the gay ones." Gay people, too, are made in my God's image. I would never worship a homophobic God." -Desmond Tutu
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hooah212002
Member (Idle past 823 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: 08-12-2009
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Message 147 of 174 (551915)
03-25-2010 7:45 AM
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Reply to: Message 146 by Huntard
03-25-2010 5:57 AM
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Re: Somethign a bit more personal.
300 bucks a month for me and my son. That's not including ANY doctor visits, prescriptions, deductible, co-pay, etc. And that's only ONE of my kids. Luckily, my other son is covered by badgercare with my girlfriend. Oh, and those are NON-smokers rates. I can only imagine how much they go up when I tell 'em I smoke and have asthma (stupid, I know. sshhh). Now factor in my car payment/insurance, my girlfriends car payment/insurance, rent, cable/internet, cell phone, food, etc....yea, I can't afford another bill. Especially one that I rarely use since I hardly ever go to the hospital, nor do I take the kids to the hospital except for emergencies.
"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan "Show me where Christ said "Love thy fellow man, except for the gay ones." Gay people, too, are made in my God's image. I would never worship a homophobic God." -Desmond Tutu
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hooah212002
Member (Idle past 823 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: 08-12-2009
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Message 150 of 174 (555879)
04-16-2010 12:12 AM
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Reply to: Message 148 by Taz
04-15-2010 4:45 PM
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(2) most supporters of the tea party movement are white Americans white, OLDER Americans, who use MEDICARE and SOCIAL security. I work with a tea-bagger supporter. He thinks palin would be a-ok as prez because "she has more experience than Obama". his response to the health care issue is "fuck you, I don't give a crap if YOU get sick and die. YOU need to save for your OWN retirement". So I asked him: "how much do you have saved up?". His response: "nothing, but that's my fault." So, at least he is honest in that he just hates people. Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.
"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan "Show me where Christ said "Love thy fellow man, except for the gay ones." Gay people, too, are made in my God's image. I would never worship a homophobic God." -Desmond Tutu
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hooah212002
Member (Idle past 823 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: 08-12-2009
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Message 159 of 174 (556033)
04-16-2010 7:21 PM
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Reply to: Message 156 by Taq
04-16-2010 3:24 PM
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Re: the two BIGGEST government programs???
To bring this on topic, would the Tea Party movement be ok with a defense budget reduction of $200 billion to pay for a $100 billion health care bill? This would lower the defecit by $100 billion and provide health care. It depends on who is in office. If a white republican was doing it, they would support it. If Obama's administration did it, they would be vehemently against it.
"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan "Show me where Christ said "Love thy fellow man, except for the gay ones." Gay people, too, are made in my God's image. I would never worship a homophobic God." -Desmond Tutu
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hooah212002
Member (Idle past 823 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: 08-12-2009
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Message 173 of 174 (558123)
04-29-2010 9:59 PM
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Reply to: Message 172 by Taz
04-29-2010 9:47 PM
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Re: Glenn Beck at it again
Well, I assure you minorities in AZ will NOT be voting (R) this next go 'round.
"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan "Show me where Christ said "Love thy fellow man, except for the gay ones." Gay people, too, are made in my God's image. I would never worship a homophobic God." -Desmond Tutu
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