Marxism

You beat me to it. I appreciate the set up and would like to apologize for misdirecting your topic.Faith,Care to follow up?

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So no medicare, Social security or unemployment benefits? Do you equate them with Marxism. Do you know what Marxism is?Please give some REAL examples of marxism in this country. What are those things that taxes should be for but are not "marxist"?

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David Horowitz is a notorious liar.He is a racist and a hatemonger. Wiki touches on some of the controversies.

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Horowitz has also come under fire for material in his books, particularly The Professors: The 101 Most Dangerous Academics in America.[54] For example, the group Free Exchange on Campus issued a 50-page report in May 2006 in which they take issue with many of Horowitz's assertions in the book and describe what they see as factual errors, unsubstantiated assertions, and quotations which appear to be either misquoted or taken out of context.[55][56][57] The professors mentioned in the book have since criticized Horowitz.[58] Caroline Higgins says she finds it absurd that she's being criticized for teaching about peace and social justice. She also notes that she puts her syllabi online so students already know what her beliefs are.[58] Joe Feagin, who was criticized for his studies on racism and sexism, says that his conclusions are based on a 43-year research career in which he has published nearly 50 books and 180 research articles and asks of Horowitz and others: "What are their research credentials? Have they done 40 years of solid research on racial and gender issues?"[58] Juan Cole, who was criticized for his studies on the Middle East, says of Horowitz: "He is an ideologue and he has a particular view of the Arab-Israeli conflict which cannot be sustained by anyone who studies the region with primary texts and a global perspective."

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SourceIf you want to be taken seriously you should find someone else other than him to quote.Your good buddy David.

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"The left has now become the hate group."
FrontPageMag.com founder DAVID HOROWITZ, quoted in a Dec. 17 story in The New York Sun, lambasting an attack on a Princeton University student who claimed he'd been beaten unconscious for his conservative views but later admitted he faked the attack (Horowitz, who posted the story on his website, did not retract his comments)

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Horowitz praises Jared Taylor of the Council of Conservative Citizens, an openly racist organization, calling him the "author of a pioneer book of political incorrectness on race...a very intelligent and principled man." Taylor says things like "in some important traits--intelligence, law-abidingness, sexual restraint, resistance to disease--whites can be considered 'superior' to blacks." Taylor's group calls immigrants "slimy mass of brown glop." (Source: Tim Wise, in a symposium on "Ward Churchill: A Symbol of Higher Education?" 3/4/05, FrontPageMagazine.com)

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Does not preclude that he is a liar, a racist and a hatemonger. The facts speak for themselves. He is a demagogue that will not allow the facts to stand in the way of his beliefs.

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Have you read any of the stuff I posted about him?
Thought not.

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It isnt illegal to be leftist

DO you understand what Horowitz attempted to do with people he thought were leftist?

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He tried to get them fired, thats what. For teaching things HE didnt agree with. Even if he didn't know the subject matter. He attempted witch hunts.

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Do you mean nobel laureate Paul Krugman? If it is Krugman you mean, what are your problems with Krugman?You might want to read some real world critiques of Friedman and the failings of his "philosophies".

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But for the most part both public figures and the media bought Friedman's mythology, never stopping to look critically at the effect it had on America. Here are a just few things that have happened since America's elite swallowed the Friedman myth:

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- Real income down
- Real manufacturing wages down
- Top one percent's share of wealth up
- Income gap between rich and poor up
- Family indebtedness up
- Bottom forty percent's share of wealth down
- CEO pay as a percent of average workers' pay up
- Workers covered by pensions down
- Workers covered by health plans down
- Age at which one can receive Social Security down
- Personal bankruptcies up
- Housing foreclosures up
- Median rent up

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Milton Friedman did win a Nobel Prize, however this was for his work on interest rates, not for his conservative and extreme views on society and regulation. This Nobel Prize victory has been trotted out as support for his ideas by people who are largely anti-intellectual and do not know how the Nobel Prize is awarded and don’t know why or for what he won the prize. ..

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In his world markets are perfect, and the only thing that gets in the way of the perfection is the government and other non-market mechanisms like unions (that is monopoly power from the bottom rather than monopoly power from the top). Friedman viewed any restriction on corporate power as an interference in the market. While people are distancing themselves from this type of talk now (post financial crisis) for decades now MBAs and economists have been mindlessly quoting Friedman to promote all manner of deregulation. Now we have the deregulated financial markets that have been so desired by conservatives, and our system is melting down...

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Large corporations are against anything that gets in the way of them maximizing their profits. Environmental laws, labor laws, government rules on competition do this. These checks on corporate power exist because of a long history of abuse on the part of corporations that operate in an unconstrained marketplace. Having to argue that regulation is important, that labor laws are important, that the environment is important should not really be necessary at this late date in human history. However, Milton Friedman used his academic perch and dogmatic writing to argue that these things had not place in a fully functioning economy.

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But very few of Friedman's most cherished proposals were ever put in to practice. Of those that where - such as monetarism - almost all turned into failure...
today no mainstream academic economist is a monetarist and Friedman left no lasting school of academic heirs. Even the "Chicago school" at the University of Chicago has waned in influence, eclipsed by the mighty MIT army of economists that followed Samuelson.

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You keep claiming these Marxist policies of the United States. Can you please define Marxism and then show how it is being practices in the United States?Hint, taxes are not Marxist, even if they are used for social programs.
Socialism in many forms has been around since the founding of the republic. Since before the foundation of the republic.

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Our Founders realized that a healthy work force was essential to our economic health and growth. It was for this reason that, in July of 1798, Congress passed, and President John Adams signed into law an act For the Relief of Sick and Disabled Seamen, establishing the Marine Hospital Service.

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This Federal government socialized healthcare insurance was funded by a tax that was withheld from the sailor’s pay, and then turned over to the government by the ship’s owner. This first payroll tax amounted to slightly over 1% of the sailor’s wages. An injured or sick sailor would make a claim, his record of payments would be confirmed, and he would be given a chit for admission to the local hospital.

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Heres is a copy of the legislation.
News: Pres. Signs H-Care Insurance Mandate-212 Years Ago!I read an interesting analysis of the origin of the US, the founding fathers and socialism. The founding fathers had no opinion on socialism because there was no concept of socialism at that time. Also, it must be remembered that they were the elites. They wanted to protect what they had from the rabble. They were no different than the wealthy of today.There is an important phrase in the preamble to the constitution. 'promote the general welfare"You claim so much Marxism but have nothing to back it up. You decry socialistic tendencies. The wealthy make their money because of society. Think of how much impact a wealthy person has on society. Part of the reason they are wealthy is because someone else(lots of someone elses) are not. Corporate execs make their money off of the backs of the laborers or general employees. Because corporations(walmart) pay low wages and ahve crappy benefits, government must kick in to give people things like heath care. It amazes me how people want all the benefits that a stable society gives them, but do not want to pay to maintain that stable society.

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Note that these are top marginal rates only, not average effective rates. That is,

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* the rate is not an average rate (total tax paid divided by total income), but a marginal rate (the rate paid on dollars of income over the "top bracket," listed below as "Taxable income over--");
* the rate does not take into account all possible exemptions and deductions, so taxes actually paid may have been lower than these nominal rates indicate.

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These are the marginal rates(do you understand what that means?).Is there a correlation between high growth periods of our country and the stagnation we have now? Taxes a re not a liberal idea. Taxes for the wealthy are among the lowest they have been in a century.Is this Marxism?

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This is a very poor example for your case. There are in place a lot of government programs to help feed people. Food stamps, school lunch programs, WIC programs. These are clearly a benefit to society. Also, our food production system is very socialistic. There are price supports for numerous agricultural products. There is no truly free market in food production or food consumption.There are many instances where government is right and correct to be involved. It is heavily involved in food. There are times when the government is right and correct to do things that benefit society. The purpose of the government is not to allow an unfettered free market.
as you stated. I am not a supporter of communism, but as you have been shown many times, communism has not been tried. Governments have been formed in the guise of communism, but they were not communism. Look at the definition of communism, read what Marx wrote. None of the people you list were communists. They portrayed themselves as but did not actually follow Communist of Marxist philosophy, NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAID OR CLAIMED.I find it hilarious that you listed Mussolini. You need to brush up on your history a little. Do you really think Fascism and Communism are the same thing? Hint Mussolini was Fascist.

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Mussolini was among the founders of Italian Fascism, which included elements of nationalism, corporatism, national syndicalism, expansionism, social progress and anti-communism in combination with censorship of subversives and state propaganda.

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I didn't mean just Krugman's. Friedman is heavily out of favor in economic circles. You might want to read some of the other critiques, by numerous people other than Krugman.

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Making crap up again?
Tell me how does this bill do that? Be specific please.

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Yes they should assist. School lunch programs are for the masses. The Feds subsidize every school lunch. They stimulate the economy for one

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Moody's study suggests extending unemployment benefits, increasing food stamps fastest ways to stimulate economy.

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A healthy populace is a benefit to society. Having a helathy well nutitioned populace is a benefit for all of society They do for milk. You are correct. I misspoke. One of the duties of our government is to not allow an unfettered free market. According to your right of center view. Many, many people would disagree with that interpretation. Just because this is your belief does not make it a correct belief. Oh so this was a list of dictators not communists.

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Maybe you should get informed before you post crap.

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