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Flyer75 Member (Idle past 2449 days) Posts: 242 From: Dayton, OH Joined: |
nwr writes: When I was young, an evangelist at the door was a somewhat welcome diversion that would help to fill in part of an otherwise boring day. These days, an evangelist at the door is an annoying distraction that interrupts whatever else I am doing. This is spot on. Since moving to my house about 6-7 years ago, I can recall maybe one evangelist and I don't even remember what denomination they were. I get bothered more by door to door salesmen. It's probably why door to door evangelism is on the way out. Churches are finding other ways to evangelize. Our church (non denominational Christian church) is growing so fast we can't keep up with the buildings we've been in. Now days it's done by other means such as church events, concerts, cook outs, ect.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Who are they looking for? My guess is the gullible and/or desperate.
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AnswersInGenitals Member (Idle past 177 days) Posts: 673 Joined:
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dwise1 writes: I have only had a few encounters myself. In the first one, the evangelists tried the opening line of "Have you read the Bible?", apparently to then interject their own interpretation of a particular verse. I answered, "Yes I have, which is why I'm an atheist." End of discussion right there; they just left. The one and only time I had JWs at my front door who started out with the "Have you read the bible?" line, I responded "Yes. I read it regularly and follow every example in it. That's why I'm inviting you in to fuck my two daughters". They were very confused and speechless and just turned around and left.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
As per the thread title, it depends on which type of evangelism to which you're referring.
A very small percentage of Christians have been evangelized to become Christians by door to door evangelists over the centuries. I became evangelized in what many fundamentalist churches refer to as evangelistic services where a person whose ministry gift is an evangelist. The term ivangelist is listed as one of the special gifts of the Holy Spirit. I was evangelized in one of these evangelistic services when an evangelist spoke on the prophecies. Paul admonished to do the work of an evangelist Perhaps the reason some of the traditional evangelistic methods are waning is that the trend is apostacy, as is the case here on this board, many having becomiing apostates of a former Christian commitment and belief. Much of that is due to the bully pulpit public school advantage, applying the secularist interpretation of what is observed in mandated education.
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anglagard Member (Idle past 862 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
Buzsaw writes: Perhaps the reason some of the traditional evangelistic methods are waning is that the trend is apostacy, as is the case here on this board, many having becomiing apostates of a former Christian commitment and belief. Much of that is due to the bully pulpit public school advantage, applying the secularist interpretation of what is observed in mandated education. So what have we here?! An admission that unless Buz's cult interpretation of Christianity can absolutely control all information, like as in North Korea, most normal people would reject it as obviously flawed because such nonsense is incapable of standing on its own. Sheesh Buz, you just stepped in it again. The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes. Salman Rushdie This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - the character Rorschach in Watchmen
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Anglagard writes: An admission that unless Buz's cult interpretation of Christianity can absolutely control all information, like as in North Korea, most normal people would reject it as obviously flawed because such nonsense is incapable of standing on its own. As a matter of fact, North Korea's absolute control of what information the kiddies get in that nation's science education more resembles your idea of truth than Buz''s, Anglagard. Perhaps yours would not stand on it's own (abe: here in the US of A ) if it weren't, like in NK, mandated as the only version available for consideration. Edited by Buzsaw, : as noted BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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nwr Member Posts: 6410 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
That sounds a bit paranoid.
Nobody is even suggesting that there be a control of information, and a censorship of all that does not accord with some "approved" policy.
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2321 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
Buzsaw writes:
But what is taught in schools is the only thing that's supported by evidence. Why should we teach something thata isn't supported by evidence? (small reminder, there hasn't been any evidence presented so far in the Evidence for the Biblical Record thread).
a matter of fact, North Korea's absolute control of what information the kiddies get in that nation's science education more resembles your idea of truth than Buz''s, Anglagard. Perhaps yours would not stand on it's own (abe: here in the US of A ) if it weren't, like in NK, mandated as the only version available for consideration.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
nwr writes: Nobody is even suggesting that there be a control of information, and a censorship of all that does not accord with some "approved" policy. Who controls approves. Who approves, controls. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2321 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
Buzsaw writes:
Which is why it is illegal for anyone to send their kids to sunday school, or take them to church... Oh wait, no it isn't. Censorship indeed....
Who controls approves. Who approves, controls.
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Jon Inactive Member |
I was just wondering if this is a Vancouver phenomenon, or if the quality of evangelism in general is in total meltdown? Message 1 I'd say it's definitely not just a Vancouver thing Jon
Edit: Awww, Someone beat me to the Buzsaw joke... Edited by Jon, : No reason given. "Can we say the chair on the cat, for example? Or the basket in the person? No, we can't..." - Harriet J. Ottenheimer
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Strawman, Huntard. Schools mandadated. Sunday school not mandated.
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2321 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
Buzsaw writes:
So? You contend that only one type of view can be taught. That's not true, everything can be taught, in the right venue. Strawman, Huntard. Schools mandadated. Sunday school not mandated. In schools we teach what the evidence shows, in other venues (sunday school, church), you can teach what you like to be true. Should we teach what some people like to be true in schools? Like Islam? Like the greek pantheon? Like satanism? Is that what we should do? Because that is what you are saying, isn't it?
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Huntard writes:
Should we teach what some people like to be true in schools? Like Islam? Like the greek pantheon? Like satanism? Is that what we should do? Because that is what you are saying, isn't it? Whatever significant evidence any has should be allowed for consideration. It's not. If this were true, you can be assured Ballard et al would be at Nuweiba to either confirm or refute the evidence claimed along with the corroborating ducks lined up lending support. Some of the ID opponents would have opportunity to aire their reasons for opposing etc. The local board of education should make the determination. I doubt that much significantly edifying evidence etc from satanism, Islam and paganism would be deemed to be sufficient quality by the boards, but perhaps some. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 827 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
Whatever significant evidence any has should be allowed for consideration. Any "significant evidence" claimed by the ID crowd, Buz, has been thoroughly debunked.
The local board of education should make the determination. They do, Buz. Which is why we have the travesties we do in Texas. "Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan "Show me where Christ said "Love thy fellow man, except for the gay ones." Gay people, too, are made in my God's image. I would never worship a homophobic God." -Desmond Tutu
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