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Kitsune Member (Idle past 4328 days) Posts: 788 From: Leicester, UK Joined: |
All I can say to you is read up on the websites on causes of cancer and avoiding cancer. Some remote cultures like Exkimoes (sic) or cultures remote in the Himalayas, etc who eat no processed foods have in the past, been pretty much cancer free. As was discovered by Weston A. Price a century ago. You can go to the Weston A. Price Foundation website and choose from a number of articles that have further researched the healthy diets of native populations:
In His Footsteps
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Coragyps writes: I'm sure it isn't. But the herbal woo goddam sure sucked Lidia in and killed her. And it's "holistic." Or, most of the time, "quackery." Likely your Lidia got some miss-information or poor advice from someone. I don't think Herbalife would be so stupid as to claim their products cure cancer. Can you cite evidence otherwise? No alternative suppliments are a silver bullet for cancer. Going at it naturally would require a very stringent and well guided regimen. Also, it depends on how advanced the cancer was before beginning any program. There comes a point where nothing outside of a miracle will be able to bring remission or cure. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Wounded King Member Posts: 4149 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Joined: |
Some remote cultures like Eskimoes or cultures remote in the Himalayas, etc who eat no processed foods have in the past, been pretty much cancer free. At lest in the case of the Inuit this is also a population with previously generally low life expectancies. That isn't to suggest that the large changes in Inuit lifestyles in the modern era haven't contributed significantly to cance incidence. But to ascribe it all to processed foods is facile and overlooks other major causative factors that are well established, such as smoking, exercise, other dietary factors, patterns of childbirth and breastfeeding, seems naive. TTFN, WK
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Taq Member Posts: 10077 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
All I can say to you is read up on the websites on causes of cancer and avoiding cancer. Some of my colleagues research cancer. I read the primary lit., you know, that sciency stuff. Cancer is unavoidable. It is only a matter of time before you have enough mutations in a minimum number of oncogenes.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Wounded King writes: At lest in the case of the Inuit this is also a population with previously generally low life expectancies. That isn't to suggest that the large changes in Inuit lifestyles in the modern era haven't contributed significantly to cance incidence. But to ascribe it all to processed foods is facile and overlooks other major causative factors that are well established, such as smoking, exercise, other dietary factors, patterns of childbirth and breastfeeding, seems naive. Nobody's ascribing life expectancy and/or cancer to diet alone. The point has been that diet is a significant factor. Health regimes applied by practitioners, of course, include other than diet, including abstinence from harmful habits and other healthful aspects of lifestyle. Much to do with long life expectancy in America is medicine's ability to keep people alive, abbeit with very poor quality including nursing homes, feeding tubes, heart devices, transplants, stomach bags, oxygen tanks, etc. Were it not for these life props, life expectancy in America would be significantly lower. Holistic methodology which treats the whole body affords a better quality of life and it keeps folks like me and my family free from burdening the already overloaded public funded healthcare services. My wife and I pay about $3000 a year of our meager social security benefits to pay premiums on medicare which we may never use aside from an accidental injury whereas obese folks who thrive on junk food and smoke etc invariably eventually drain the system due to their lifestyle. These public funded healthcare leaches are often the loudest skeptics who pshaw alternatives as quakery. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Taq writes: Some of my colleagues research cancer. I read the primary lit., you know, that sciency stuff. Cancer is unavoidable. It is only a matter of time before you have enough mutations in a minimum number of oncogenes. There are research cancer colleages who are in the system which finds it more profitable to look for cures than to find them. Likely your colleages are of that mindset, some wittingly or unwittingly due to what's programmed into their thinking from the med schools who's foundations are largely funded by the rich pharma fatcats. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Taq Member Posts: 10077 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
There are research cancer colleages who are in the system which finds it more profitable to look for cures than to find them. So you are saying that scientists are discovering cancer cures and throwing them out the window? Really? Have any evidence to back this up?
Likely your colleages are of that mindset, some wittingly or unwittingly due to what's programmed into their thinking from the med schools who's foundations are largely funded by the rich pharma fatcats. They are not of that mindset, and it is insulting for you to even suggest it. Of course, this is the unfounded paranoia that the wholistic medicine crowd fosters. They believe the worse in all other people while excusing themselves of any skepticism whatsoever.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Taq writes: So you are saying that scientists are discovering cancer cures and throwing them out the window? Really? Have any evidence to back this up? The research and study grants go primarily to the pharms industry. For decades, the AMA and the American Cancer Society, etc have, year after year collected millions upon millions searching for this or that silver bullets to pop at cancer, while the alternative wholistic clenics quietly go at the whole body's systemic problems with detoxifying and building up the body's immune functions etc. Many of the patients who end up in the holistic places were given up on by the medical docs so they finally go to as a last resort to the people who can often actually help them.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Many of the patients who end up in the holistic places were given up on by the medical docs so they finally go to as a last resort to the people who can often actually help them. Any evidence that holistic treatment for cancer works? Or just anecdotal evidence? Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
The research and study grants go primarily to the pharms industry
And that has nothing to do with the fact that they can actually produce evidence in support of their work? It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Any evidence that holistic treatment for cancer works? Or just anecdotal evidence? The evidence is people who were given up as terminal by conventional MDs still walking around alive and functioning. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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anglagard Member (Idle past 864 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
Theodoric writes: Any evidence that holistic treatment for cancer works? Or just anecdotal evidence? Buzsaw writes: The evidence is people who were given up as terminal by conventional MDs still walking around alive and functioning. You failed to answer the question. Please allow me to rephrase. Do you have any evidence other than personal testimony, which not only covers an insignificant percentage of the total amount of individuals using holistic treatments, but is also limited to survivors. We do not have the testimony of cancer victims who used holistic treatments where such treatments failed for the simple reason they are dead. Your anecdotal evidence is suspect for that very reason. Now, in order to have more than anecdotal evidence, one would take a sample population (the larger the better) and then look at how many used traditional treatments, and how many used holistic treatments, and then compare the two to see which had a higher survival rate. Unfortunately, I doubt you can even begin to understand what I am saying. Please feel free to prove me wrong by directly answering Theodoric's question. Edited by anglagard, : misspelled Theodoric The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes. Salman Rushdie This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - the character Rorschach in Watchmen
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
The evidence is people who were given up as terminal by conventional MDs still walking around alive and functioning.
Why waste the time? Why didn't you just give the one word answer?No. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
anglagard writes: Do you have any evidence other than personal testimony, which not only covers an insignificant percentage of the total amount of individuals using holistic treatments, but is also limited to survivors. Would the world renouned Scripts Clinic and other scientifically astute institutions integrate holistic regimes into their healthcare methodologies if they were not scientifically evidenced? Edited by Buzsaw, : clarify wording BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
The question.
Any evidence that holistic treatment for cancer works? Or just anecdotal evidence? Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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