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Author Topic:   The Future of Artificial Intelligence: Can machines become sentient (self-aware)
CosmicChimp
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Message 12 of 51 (555769)
04-15-2010 10:37 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by DevilsAdvocate
04-14-2010 10:22 PM


Greetings DevilsAdvocate et al.,
My question is with the rapid miniaturization of computer chips, increase in processing power and memory size, and introduction of novel innovations such as neural networks, nanotechnology and quantum computing, do you think that machines well become self-aware (sentient) and if so how and when?
Yes I do see it as happening, even inevitable. I think within fifty to one hundred years time artificial sentience will have been achieved. I think the breakthrough will come through recursive simulation of a very highly resolved complex system, that takes into account all of the possible combinations of the subunits, then sorting against a criteria that improves the simulation. Similar to mammal brain evolution but getting every single possible brain every generation.

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CosmicChimp
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Message 24 of 51 (555822)
04-15-2010 2:01 PM
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04-15-2010 12:27 PM


Which big word did you not understand (or bother to look up)? Also your name catsci isn't listed over at the gameknot.com chess site.
Edited by CosmicChimp, : clarity

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CosmicChimp
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Message 31 of 51 (555857)
04-15-2010 5:10 PM
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04-15-2010 2:27 PM


What makes a complex system 'very highly resolved'? What are the subunits? How are they 'combined'? Where does the criteria for improvement come from?
How's that work? Do they "layer" the simulations or are they more like "side by side"?
With highly resolved I mean that the system has to be based upon a multitude of simple building blocks. The simpler the better. They have to model faithfully their role in nature. The question is I think still unanswered as to how far down the scale of size it is necessary to model. I believe sentience is an emergent behavior, and therefore exact modeling on the smallest scales will bring forth the higher levels of complexity. Maybe you have to show the individual atoms; neurons and their connections certainly.
With humanity many generations of interacting brains have created the intelligence, therefore why not model a multitude of brains? At the end of the day, is it not merely a continuation of the same recursive process, human sentience and AI?
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CosmicChimp
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Message 48 of 51 (555983)
04-16-2010 3:51 PM
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04-16-2010 10:13 AM


I think you might be reading more into my post than is there. I said 'emergent behavior' or 'emergent properties' or just 'emergence' is what is creating 'mind'. It's not woo or mysticism. Because it is not yet known exactly what causes sentience research efforts, for instance IBM, are modeling brains.
"... and that goes against everything we know about the brain." Surely you jest. Model neurons will probably not be required after we find out what they are doing. Some peeps think it is necessary to investigate what it is that they do. It may not be all that necessary but unfortunately I don't know either.
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CosmicChimp
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Message 51 of 51 (556000)
04-16-2010 4:42 PM
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04-16-2010 4:17 PM


I think you may be right about wetware (wet-lab chemistry?) and neuron cells being replaced by sophisticated computer modeling. IBM is using a simulation in a supercomputer, and have created a brain, I read in a popular science article, that is comparable to the optical cortex of a cat.

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