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Dr Adequate
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Message 120 of 139 (557112)
04-22-2010 5:58 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by slevesque
04-22-2010 3:28 PM


Re: Evidence & Interpretation
I'm not all that familiar with Darwin's pre-voyage beliefs. Of course he could not have been Darwinian, but he could have believed in some sort of evolution.
But he didn't. Could have, yes, but as a matter of fact he didn't. We don't have to discuss hypothetical situations, we can look at what actually happened.
I should probably read a biography of his life I guess, anyone have a good suggestion ?
I've never read a biography of Darwin --- I hate reading biographies --- but every word that he ever wrote is available on line. His private letters and his notebooks and everything. He was a compulsive writer, he'd write ten letters a day to other biologists. If you really want to look into Darwin's mind, then you really can.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 121 of 139 (557113)
04-22-2010 6:12 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by slevesque
04-22-2010 5:23 PM


Re: Evidence & Interpretation
Evidence isn't as black and white as you portray it here. Had Darwin been reading a book by Cuvier, he would have applied a catastrophist interpretation to the geological formations he saw.
But this is not the case. Darwin could have read a book by Cuvier and then wondered whether Cuvier was right or wrong. A scientist reading a book written by another scientist is not like a fundamentalist reading the Bible.
I'll bet you ten Canadian dollars that Darwin did read Cuvier's books.
But we are getting far off-topic so we'll have to stop here (All I wanted originally was some additional information on a minor detail). If anyone wants to continue this then they can start a topic.
Unfortunately, the original poster doesn't seem to want to continue the argument in his original post. So we might as well use this thread to chat about the life of Charles Darwin. If the original poster comes back, then we might get back to the actual topic of this thread.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 124 of 139 (557117)
04-22-2010 6:21 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by Parasomnium
04-22-2010 6:13 PM


Re: Evidence & Interpretation
Nothing beats a well-stocked book case though. If I lean back from my computer, I can just reach the selected letters I mentioned. On-line text is nice - and it helped me just now - but the smell of ink is something I wouldn't trade for anything.
Well, you like the smell of ink, but I like the words "completely free, at the push of a button"
Furthermore, on paper in ink you do not have every word that Darwin ever wrote about anything. Whereas I do --- in electronic form.
I do like real books in ink on paper, but let us not disparage the Internet.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 128 of 139 (557130)
04-22-2010 8:50 PM
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04-22-2010 6:25 PM


Re: Evidence & Interpretation
... fainted?
No, Percy has written the software wrong. You make one little mistake in formatting your post, and the whole thing just vanishes.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 129 of 139 (557131)
04-22-2010 8:56 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by slevesque
04-22-2010 6:59 PM


Re: Evidence & Interpretation
Your post is silly and confused, but you finish it off by saying that you won't even discuss the subject. So where do we go from here? You're wrong, but you refuse to put up any argument that you're right.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 130 of 139 (557132)
04-22-2010 9:02 PM
Reply to: Message 123 by Parasomnium
04-22-2010 6:19 PM


Re: Evidence & Interpretation
Darwin mentions Cuvier in Voyage and in The Origin. (I just reached back to my book case.)
Then I would have so won if only slevesque could have been persuaded to take my bet.
My point stands --- Darwin did read Cuvier.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 132 of 139 (557135)
04-22-2010 9:28 PM
Reply to: Message 131 by slevesque
04-22-2010 9:09 PM


Re: Evidence & Interpretation
Start a new thread then ....
Why? I'm right.
The OP of this thread is not about Darwin's influences, it's about if DNA can account for the whole formation of a biological system such as a human body.
Quite so. But we seem to have wandered a little from the topic.
I think it pusillanimous of you to now complain that our discussion is off-topic at the point when you realize that you're getting your ass kicked. You didn't complain that you yourself were off-topic when you raised the subject --- but now it is off-topic for me to answer you.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 134 of 139 (557196)
04-23-2010 3:46 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by slevesque
04-23-2010 3:50 AM


Re: Evidence & Interpretation
I'm sorry you interpreted all this the way you did, although I find it unsurprising that you are giving me worst intentions than what was actually the case.
I do get a bit ... rebarbative ... now and then, don't I? I shouldn't have attacked you personally, I know that you're a good guy.
I'm still right.

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