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Author Topic:   Are The Historical Respective Roles Of The Genders Relevant Today?
Rahvin
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Message 13 of 116 (557515)
04-26-2010 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by Buzsaw
04-26-2010 11:03 AM


Re: ...more emotional and easily persuaded and manipulated...
Hi Buz.
You've asserted that the "lobes" of menand women are"different," and that this suits each gender for more specific roles in society. Specifically, you have shown a preference for traditional Western roles for women as domestic workers who manage the home and raise the children while the husband works and brings in money. This fits with the Biblical description of women, in which God creates them to be a "helpmeet" to men.
However, you have not supported any of these assertions - you've simply stated that you are drawing on "6000 years of history."
This is an Appeal to Tradition fallacy. Just because a thing has "always been done"or "always been thought" does not mean it is true or beneficial.
Please show actual evidence, in the form of scientific studies (which you must be aware of, since you claimed that yours was the "scientific view"), as opposed to personal anecdote and appeals to tradition. As you are the one making these claims, the burden of evidence rests squarely upon your shoulders, and your justifications to date have been sorely lacking.
I would simply like to point out that while we have many stereotypes regarding women in our culture, most of these are holdovers from earlier in our history when women's roles were significantly different from today. These preconceptions, being based not on evidence but upontraditional stereotypes, are usually wrong, much like their racial counterparts.
According to the Beureu of Labor Statistics, more women are today enrolled in college than men:
quote:
Men............................ 5,492
Women.......................... 6,179
According to the same source, of those who are no longer enrolled in school, more women have attained a High School diploma than their male counterparts (1,403 women have "less than a High School diploma," vs 1,606 men).
These numbers are in thousands, and are for the total non-institutionalized civilian workforce.
It would certainly seem that women are at least as capable of intellectual pursuits as men, and the data shows a significant enough difference that it would even appear that they are better than men. This despite several disadvantages, chief among them being the outdated stereotypes held by older generations.
I have not seen any actual data presented in this thread that suggests women are "better suited" to domestic roles and "less suited" to traditionally male roles. The evidence I have seen suggests that women are easily just as capable as men, and that gender is essentially irrelevant.
Will you present evidence to support your case, Buz, or will you concede?

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Message 14 of 116 (557517)
04-26-2010 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Flyer75
04-26-2010 8:55 AM


Call me a traditionalist, or an old fart, whatever you prefer...idiot will work too. I agree to an extent with Buzz on this. I think statistics show the decline in the family structure has changed quite a bit (divorce, out of wedlock births, ect) with the woman's liberation "movement" if you will.
Flyer, please think about this for just one momkent.
Prior to the women's liberation movement, very few women attended college or had any work experience. They were entirely dependent upon their husbands for their wellbeing. This meant that they had basically no choice in the matter - they were forced to stay married, even to abusive husbands.
Now, mroe women are attending college than men are. Employers are more willing to hire women than ever before. The rise in divorce rate seems to be more of a result of women now having the opportunity in addition to the legal ability to divorce.
The real question is: what is best for society?
Certainly for the male, it would seem that having a domestic housewife with all the stability of "Leave it to Beaver" is appealing.
But by restricting women's role in society (even a "soft" restriction like a strong stereotype that women "belong" in the home), we are in effect sacrificing literally half of our nation's productivity, as well as turning women into what in effect are second class citizens, dependent not on themselves and their own abilities, but those of their husbands.
I know which society I'd prefer.
I'd obviously prefer the mom to stay home and have an influence on the young ones then send them off to a day care to be watched by someone that just doesn't care quite as much.
False dichotomy: why is the woman the only option for a stay-at-home parent? Men are perfectly able to raise children and perform housework as well, you know. A working mom does not necessarily mean daycare. The modern tendency of both parents to work is the result of economics (where one income often just isn't enough to support the family), not simply women's liberation.

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Message 116 of 116 (558813)
05-04-2010 5:44 PM
Reply to: Message 115 by IchiBan
05-04-2010 5:34 PM


Re: Becoming Blessed, Wise & Mature
This is a forum for posting song lyrics without adding anything to the discussion now?

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