Noah's ark found ?!?

Ok people, we're getting soft here. Noah's ark discovery has been announced for a couple of hours and no one has made a thread here Has Noah's Ark Been Found on Turkish Mountaintop? | Fox Newsa skeptic's opinion:MSN | Outlook, Office, Skype, Bing, Breaking News, and Latest VideosAbE: Article+videohttp://www.bittenandbound.com/...rk-ministries-internationalCould be interesting to discuss:1- What is your level of skepticism ? (I gotta say mine is extremely high)2- If it really turns out to be what they say it is, what are the implications ?Edited by slevesque, : No reason given.

Thread copied here from the Noah's ark found ?!? thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.

Initial reaction:1) the article is horrid. It barely gives any information at all.2) This:

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There’s a tremendous amount of solid evidence that the structure found on Mount Ararat in Eastern Turkey is the legendary Ark of Noah, said Aalten.

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Representatives of Noah's Ark Ministries said the structure contained several compartments, some with wooden beams, that they believe were used to house animals.The group of evangelical archaeologists ruled out an established human settlement on the grounds none have ever been found above 11,000 feet in the vicinity, Yeung said.

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So...they found a wooden structure, with fasteners that predate metal nails, on a mountain. It's high up, man-made, and made of wood.And they rule out anything other than Noah's fucking Ark because "none have ever been found above 11,000 feet in the vicinity?!"What. The. Fuck.And it has "compartments." Why do you think it was holding animals? Even if it were, why do you jump to "Noah's fucking Ark" rather than "it's an old barn from a high-altitude community?"This whole thing screams confirmation bias.Oh...and who is this? Some prestigious archeological institution?

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Representatives of Noah's Ark Ministries...

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Red flag! Big fucking red flag!Edited by Rahvin, : No reason given.

As always, high. We can chuck out most of what science tells us happened. Including genetics, archaeology, geology, linguistics and probably a bunch of other stuff. It means that we have been wrong about almost everything, or that god is a giant prankster that likes to make things look as if the flood never occurred.

I'll play devil's advocate since my own skepticism is also very high. Hopefully, as the other link mentioned, there is a scientific paper in the works that could be published (which of course couldn't conclude with 'so we think this is Noah's ark'.) Well, they have a hypothesis that predicts Noah's ark would be there. They go there and find what was predicted, or at least something that fits perfectly. And you accuse them of bias because they think they found what they were supposed to find and not start thinking they found something else ?AbE I just want to add that of course, I agree every other possibility must be examined if this is to be taken seriously. But you can't take it against them that they say they believe they found what they were looking for.Edited by slevesque, : No reason given.

Since when you people accept C14 dating as valid, considering all the mental gymnastics you people have been doing to dismiss C14 dating?

I'm accusing them of confirmation bias because they are not even entertaining the idea that a wooden structure in that location could be anything other than exactly what they were looking for, and because I know that they have an extremely large personal investment in finding it. I'm accusing them of confirmation bias because a discovery like Noah's Ark would throw everything we think we know about science on it's ear. That means this is an "extraordinary claim," and it needs more than "lol, older than nails, made of wood, in the right place, hur hur" to back it up - I;m sorry, that's just not extraordinary evidence, and it doesn't support their hypothesis more than the hypothesis that someone constructed a completely mundane wooden structure at a higher elevation than other construction in the area. They shouldn't have announced this. This kind of discovery needs to be verified by an independent, well-established institution. Preferably multiple such.This is like finding a wooden cup in some archeological site in the middle east and claiming "I have found the Holy Grail!" It could just, you know, be a wooden cup where you expected to find something more special.

I don't think it has to.There coulda been a guy with a big boat with some animals in it for a local flood. It didn't have to be a global one.Although, how high up on the mountain was it and how much water would that have to have been to be that high? Maybe it would have been impossible...Could the Black Sea Deluge Theory account for it?

It would be a great question to ask them, I suppose. But you can't just bungle all creationists in one package. I'm not the one who did the dating and thought it was valid.

It was above 11,000 feet.So, no, a local flood would not be able to account for it, if it was a boat.

Yes, my skepticism is very high.Noah's ark seems to be discovered every few years. So either evangelical Christians are hopelessly incompetent and keep losing it over and over again, or there are some people with excessively creative imaginations.For the present, I will go with the excessively creative imaginations.

Or Noah was the Amiral of an incredible fleet

According to Fox what this guys says means something.Any one have a clue who the hell he is?

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Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

I can't find who he is either ...

A quick Google search turns up the story we're discussing, a bunch of Christian websites, and other people asking who the hell he is.Let's just say I wouldn't be surprised to see this guy as a guest on Coast to Coast AM with George Noorey, right after famous psychic Silvia Brown...