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Flyer75
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Message 16 of 88 (557736)
04-27-2010 6:48 PM


This find probably doesn't mean a hill of beans. There's enough evidence out there (no, I'm not going into that on this thread) to validate Christianity that the find of Noah's Ark won't or shouldn't persuade someone to all of a sudden say, "wow, just the evidence I was looking for, I'll now become a Bible believing Christian".
You'll see that my theme on here is that we all have a world view and presuppositions before we ever see evidence. This won't persuade many, even if it is the true Ark.
BTW, even AIG is taking a pretty cautious approach to this find at this point: Noah’s Ark Found? | Answers in Genesis

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Flyer75
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Message 45 of 88 (557946)
04-28-2010 6:27 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by PaulK
04-28-2010 12:40 PM


Re: Reported to be a fake
Looking more and more like this is NOT the ark, but probably a hoax.
This creationist has a PhD and says it's def NOT the ark...for what it's worth:
Todd's Blog
Heck, he even takes a swipe at creationists for this sort of nonsense.
Edited by Flyer75, : No reason given.

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Flyer75
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Message 46 of 88 (557947)
04-28-2010 6:35 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Taz
04-28-2010 8:56 AM


Re: Gerrit Aalten
Taz writes:
Christians need to stop supporting these cranks. People like Ron Watt and now apparently these christian archaeologists are doing more damage than not. They're driving all the honest people away from christianity.
I'll give ya a 5 on this one Taz. In fact, that was the point of Todd Woods blog I just posted. What a waste of money! For what? As the blog said, why aren't these "christians" donating this money to some worthwhile cause like a homeless shelter or a kids camp or somthing?

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Flyer75
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Message 54 of 88 (558034)
04-29-2010 1:50 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Coyote
04-29-2010 10:37 AM


Re: Difficulties in digging...
So coyote, professionals are ALWAYS right??? I agree, it should be professionals but that doesn't bring forth infallible evidence, for either side....anyways, the creation side did their job in scrutinizing the find and have made no bones that it's a hoax...I guess they all could have collaborated together and proclaimed it to be the truth but they didn't.

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Flyer75
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Message 55 of 88 (558036)
04-29-2010 2:05 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by Hyroglyphx
04-29-2010 11:36 AM


Re: Think you're wrong on this one..
Hyroglyphx,
I understand your point but I think your being a little unfair to the significance of the find, if it ever happens (I don't think it ever will). It's not fair to say that someone could have found a boat on Ararat, then wrote a story about it without being able to produce the evidence for this story outside the Bible, mainly the specifics such as the possible dimensions of the boat and the fact that was found on Ararat. Creationists get hammered on this evidence point all the time so why can you use it?
But, I do agree, even if the ark is found and is to be in complete size and shape as described on Ararat, it doesn't necessarily PROVE God. All it would be is another cooberating piece of evidence to go along with the others that have been found support at least the historicity of the OT and the Bible in general, nothing more.
Gazillions of people in history have been converted to Christianity without the visual of the ark, or the "holy grail", or any other piece of ancient artifact. I mean, can you imagine if the ark is ever found and it's even remotely proven to be close to the actual ark the pilgrimages of idiots that will throng to this thing to literally worship it like it's God itself?? I'm sure that's what God intended for the ark.

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Flyer75
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Message 59 of 88 (558041)
04-29-2010 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by Rahvin
04-29-2010 2:11 PM


Re: Difficulties in digging...
Rahvin,
You're right...there's not much to disagree with in your post
I was just giving Coyote a little hard time there but also trying to reiterate that this wasn't some creationist conspiracy theory. Unfortunately some amateur evangelical Chinese treasure hunters got completely dupped by the locals.

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Message 61 of 88 (558048)
04-29-2010 2:57 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Rahvin
04-29-2010 2:32 PM


Re: Think you're wrong on this one..
Rahvin,
There are many many differences however between a classic such as the Iliad and the Bible. The Bible was written by 40 authors over a span of thousands of years. If you really get down and study the historicity of the Bible and archeology, it's fascinating and nothing shy of miraculous the amount of evidence that verifies the history of the Bible.
The Iliad was written around 800 B.C. and the earliest copy that has been found was dated around 400 B.C, thus a 400 year time gap. 643 copies have been found of the Iliad. Contrast that with the NT where the earliest copies found were around 70-100 AD (some say 50 AD but I'll error in caution) with time gaps of only 50-225 years with 5366 copies/fragments having been found. The NT will stand up historically with any classic written such as Herodotus' "History", Caesar's "Gallic Wars" and Tacitus' "Annals".
Obviously the Dead Sea Scrolls were a huge find for the OT along with the Lachish Letters which completely verify almost the whole book of Jeremiah.

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