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Coyote
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Message 4 of 163 (558168)
04-30-2010 3:16 AM


Fossils?
Unfortunately for YECs, fossils have nothing to do with it.
In graduate school archaeology classes one of the principal lessons we learned was "if you want to find 10,000 year old sites, find 10,000 year old dirt."
The age of the flood is widely pegged to around 4,350 years ago.
If you want to find out what was happening about then, you look for deposits of that age. You end up with dirt, not rock. Soils, not geological strata. And no fossils.
The strawman of fossils and geological strata is just another example of YECs twisting scientific facts around in a futile effort to get them to support their beliefs.
And now we return you to your regularly scheduled "fossils and strata" thread.

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Message 7 of 163 (558175)
04-30-2010 4:34 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Kitsune
04-30-2010 3:54 AM


Re: Fossils?
Out of curiosity, how would you date the age of the soil itself when there are no fossils present, and you're not dating the rocks or paying particular attention to the geological strata?
There are a variety of methods. Stratigraphy is one clue, just as it is in geological layers. If you have good stratigraphy there are often reliable bits and pieces within the layers that can be dated. Charred plant material is one of the more convenient things to date. I have seen some layers that have a lot of small animal bones that can be dated. Some soils are rich in pollen, which can be collected and dated. There are other materials that can also be dated, as well as a variety of new dating methods other than radiocarbon dating. I haven't used any of those yet.
In some areas of the country, such as the Pacific Northwest, thin layers of volcanic ash make nice time markers.
I do archaeology, so I generally date cultural materials rather than soils, but those cultural materials also allow you to get dates on particular soil layers.

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Message 9 of 163 (558224)
04-30-2010 11:36 AM
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04-30-2010 6:53 AM


Re: Fossils?
So if you're looking at a deposit that is older than C14 can date, are there any other absolute dating methods besides dating the layers of volcanic ash? You know what creationists always say -- they think their get-out clause is that if humans have made correlations between deposits and the types of things found in them, this is "circular reasoning." (I'm only bringing this up because you said that all you should have to do is date the soil itself.)
You would have to google that. I use C14 dating and haven't experimented with those other methods yet.
And creationists say a lot of things...

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Message 41 of 163 (558451)
05-01-2010 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by Faith
05-01-2010 12:27 AM


Re: Flood evidence is everywhere you look
Everything points to a worldwide Flood on Earth for a rational person who just looks at the evidence.
You are preaching.
This is the science forum. I wish you would stick to empirical evidence instead of trying to pass off ancient tribal myths as being supported by modern science.

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Coyote
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Message 143 of 163 (564127)
06-08-2010 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 139 by Architect-426
06-08-2010 12:44 AM


Re: Oh Lord...I need forgiveness...
I also believe the Great Flood was a massive volcanic event in which the scale was unprecedented. This coupled with aquatic debris flow I believe created the strata we see today.
The flood supposedly took place about 4,350 years ago.
Who do we not see evidence of massive vulcanism at that time period?
Edited by Coyote, : Speeling

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Message 150 of 163 (564425)
06-10-2010 12:24 PM
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06-10-2010 12:14 PM


Re: Strata & Volcanoes
Also the Waimea Canyon on Kauai is stratified, thus the conclusion of the stratification phenomenon lies in massive volcanic processes taking place during a giant flood.
Sorry, that conclusion does not follow from the data.
If fact, that conclusion is contradicted by the data for any number of reasons.
Those various strata can be dated. They do not fall within a one year period, nor to they cluster around 4,350 years ago.
Epic fail!

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